Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Mysterion, Jun 3, 2019.
I am really happy about that. He and Glushko get along here I suppose
Aaaaaaannnnnd now Ellen's plans to come out are thrown out the window.
I knew the Cold War was going to escalate soon via the Space Race...but I hadn't expected it to kick off like that. I had really grown to like Tom (especially after that talk between him and Ellen about their mutual love for space) so I'm going to really miss him. But that single moment served multiple purposes. Not just to worsen relations between the US and Russia, but also to accelerate Jamestown's plans to retake the crater that was stolen from them as well as jettisoning Ellen's personal plans for leaving NASA and coming out.
Pam saw it before Ellen did. Just in the single moment upon arriving with flowers and cookies, she saw how damn good Ellen was stepping into Tom's shoes and dealing with the situation meant that not only would Ellen stay put, but that Pam would also probably insist on it. That conversation hasn't happened yet, but I can tell that Pam knows she cannot ask Ellen to walk away from a career she's so damn good at and clearly loves, not for the sake of their relationship. Whether or not Pam stays at Ellen's side, I'm not sure of, but I do fear that Ellen is going to be the target of the paparazzi, a fear that I felt during their bedroom scene with the balcony doors hanging wide open, a fear that I felt even before the president called.
Margo continues to show her humanity when, upon seeing the plans of the secret Soviet launch that was blatantly based on their own technology, she responded with deep concern about the safety of the civilians involved because of a flaw that NASA's technicians discovered and prevented (and we find out the Challenger explosion did not happen!). She wanted to warn them despite the secretive nature of the situation, despite the blatant espionage on both sides, despite the risks for the Cold War on both Earth and on the Moon...and of course Gen. Bradford immediately shut her down. So what does Margo do? She commits treason by carefully warning Sergei of what's going on. I applaud her for what she did but that action is going to haunt her one way or the other.
On a behind-the-scenes note, I'm curious about one thing that was especially highlighted in this episode: We've previously seen carefully edited archival footage of Reagan in the past with deliberately-timed cutaways to insert show-specific information, but in this episode we saw archival footage of both Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw (they're so young!) with detailed information of the airplane attack. I paid close attention to their lips when they said certain things that were quite specific to this fictional news event and it seemed to my eyes perfectly aligned. Is this an example of a deep fake or is it some other kind of careful editing? It's also curious that the showrunners chose to use them this time around instead of Linda Park, but I guess that's because they wanted to give more weight to the serious of the situation.
Lastly, great moment with Ride of the Valkyries! I love the sound of a film reference in the afternoon...it sounds like victory!
Regarding Linda Park, I wonder how open her schedule is since she’s pretty much a regular character on Bosch these days.
This episode was my favourite of season 2 so far. The Cold War is heating up!
Wow, I was wondering if she could safely come out and I tried to find out about the subject. And I found out that in the US, you could legally fire someone from a federal job if they were gay until the mid-1970s! And investigations by the state department into homosexuality of federal employees continued as late as the 1990s! I thought it was more like, "Please resign so we don't have to make up an excuse to fire you", but no, it was a valid reason for a termination!
The second I saw that russian Jet I knew exactly what was going to happen
So Carter is the Senator from Georgia in this timeline. IRL he was never in the Senate.
In our world Reagan primaried Ford in 76 and lost but in there world he wasn't up against gop incumbent so won the primary and the election with rfk being term limited (or did he go in disgrace as his peccadilloes were catching up in S1?)
Carter either ran and a lost in 76 (which was a narrow win) or never ran for the presidency.
Though speaking of term limits, as they'e in 83 and Reagan was first elected in 76 he's also term limited.
Don't recall any mention of who the VP is.
If Reagan winning in 76, George H. W. Bush probably stayed as the DCI.
Not RFK, Teddy.
One of the Marines had a grenade launcher on his M16 huh.
You're correct. He was governor and a Georgia state senator. But never a US senator.
Great summary, pretty much my thoughts and fears.
I kinda expect them to "off" the current characters to lighten the character roster and free up space literally and keep the budget within a certain limit, as that usually goes up, the longer a series runs.
I was worried about Ed when he had to eject, Gordo was in a bad place. Molly got the solar storm overdose.
Really sad about Tom, though as above it served multiple purposes and story/character paths, glad Tracy so far has escaped harms the superpowers starting military stuff on the lunar rock.
Who was the excuse me lack for better term "Vodka/Saussage guy" visiting Danielle in the "legendary" Cosmonaut "hotel" room?
Also, nice that she still left her name there too!
Hope Ellen and Pam have a future togehther publicly and private, with her (ex)husband as her friend and adviser and her keeping the politicans and military folk in check with her role becoming permanent.
Margo's vending machine advice and talk with Aleida was positive and I really applaud her for passing the coded warning Sergej.
the bar kiss was inevitable. Would be good if that story line is done now and won't come back.
Thing is - was this flaw classified and has it been declassified? Could go both ways. if it's the first she obviously committed treason but i don't think something will come out of it as the only people within hearing distance were the Soviet and US guards and she was careful not to speak directly about it but in "engineer code" ( unlikely either of the guards would have guessed the real meaning).
I too didn't expect this to heat up this fast but a civlian airplane shot down by the enemy military is something that will do it. Was a bit funny though how the two Kosmonauts hightailed it out of there The Soviets though will not take this humiliation lightly and now i wonder how public is this thing going to get? Buran sure will now carry weapons and maybe supply the soviet station with AK47s ( or whatever model they will choose).
I was not surprised that Karen made out with him but it was still a bit cold to immediately jump her husband after this, i wonder where this storyline is going to lead.
Ride of the Valkyries is so overplayed when it comes to such scenes but i still had a a smile - nice scene too though from a visual perspective. We have seen the Star Wars trench run a million times but it was cool to see it with real physics behind it, reminded me of those small videogames where you had to land on various platforms while gravity pulled at your craft.
They showed footage of an F-4 Phantom on a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier. KAL 007 was brought down in 1983. I was on a US Navy Aircraft Carrier from 1978-1982. We did not have any Phantoms on the Carrier I was on. I never saw any on any other carrier we sailed with. We used the F-14 Tomcat as the air superiority fighter. We used the EA6B Prowler for any electronic counter measures. I know that some of the F-4's were the Wild Weasel electronic counter measure aircraft, but I never saw them based on carriers from the late 70's through the 80's. Their universe is different in that regard also.
More people seem upset about Karen than Tom for this episode.
I am 99% certain that was Sergei Korolev, legendary rocket engineer, and the point of divergence between our timeline and the one in the show. He was the USSR’s counterpart to Wernher von Braun, and they may have reached the moon had he not died in 1966.
Thanks or should I say spasibo
Very interesting and fascinating reading up on the history of him, as well as the shot down plane. (international relations at it's worst)
Dobro pozhalovat', tovarishch.
Gen. Bradford made it explicitly clear that knowledge of the Soviet secret launch was classified (although classified as what...that really drives me nuts in films and shows, even if it's obviously top secret SCI in this case). If Bradford suspect the reason the launch went through without a problem and suspects Margo somehow leaking it, he could easily find out who was on guard duty when, find who was in the room where it happened, and possibly even figure out that Margo said enough to tip off Sergei. I know it's a stretch but the military is also paranoid as fuck, especially during the Cold War.
Also, to be clear, getting caught by Bradford or someone else in the US for tipping of Sergei isn't the only I think Margo might be haunted by her decision. What if the launch is a success and that craft is able to send more weapons to the Moon? Then what if American (or other nationalities) astronauts die as a result? It's a dark rabbit hole and I can see Margo looking down it.
Honestly, it's so damn weird that I'm going to ignore it as much as I can. Unless proven otherwise down the road, I feel like this plotline is the show's first misstep. I say that as someone who loves everything else about the show.
I agree that it is overplayed but it worked here because they were all humming (first just one then slowly everyone including Tracy after rolling her eyes). It helps that they only played the actual music for only a few moments before switching gears.
Oh, nice catch there. I don't know much about the Soviet Space Program beyond the biggest moments so I don't think I was even familiar with him until now.
Season one Karen would have reacted quite differently. That kid had better pray that Ed never finds out, a guy that is bigger, stronger and also outranks him.
If they really go down that path it'll be in the season finale at the worst possible moment but honestly a very cheap drama method. I wonder why it happened, there was not much lead up to it. Ed and Karen's marriage seemed solid despite their son's death which they seemed to have worked through ( as much as you can ever work through something like this).
This is veering dangerously close to soap territory and i don't like it.
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