Fear the Walking Dead - Season 5 discussion and spoilers.

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  1. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

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    So there's three possibilities: 1) He wasn't in a coma for a month, 2) He was in a coma for a month, but something weird is going on, or 3) The writers didn't think it through. :rommie:

    But how? They didn't starve to death. If they were barricaded, they were not among those who were going to die of Captain Trips. Did they all get a little bite, but avoid being devoured until they died?
     
  2. Jayson1

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    Perhaps they followed the outside news and saw that society would not survive so they killed themselves with posion. Jason
     
  3. Morpheus 02

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    For Rock waking up... They didnt have a big budget to start with, and they needed to grab us with the story.

    So, being a Star Trek TOS fan...i can hand wave it.

    I hope I dont get banned for going off topic...

    But catching up on Fear... The video episode worked for me. Really about time we had one. Kinda like a clip show, no?

    With the New Guy..so his first kill was for this??? And the guy died for that??? Sheesh

    For Max Headroom... So the need for gas sounds ominous...someone trying to monopolize the supply. But why need oil fields? Surely there is enough crude somewhere you dpnt have to go there. The key is REFINING it... Is that what Polar Bear was doing?

    At this point...this plot send meandering and disjointed in the overall TWD world... How Will this converge with TWD??
     
  4. Q2UnME

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    The whole "Where are the oil fields?" situation is really growing tedious. Look at a friggin' map, for Christ sake. Your in Texas. There are refineries all over the Huston and coastal areas. That's where the big bulk tanks of gas will be. I've driven by many of them. Not hard to spot: They are HUGE.... Ginormous White Tanks ... Really stand out ....
     
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  5. The Wormhole

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    Well, I see Alicia's story arc has reached its predictable conclusion. She's been squeamish about killing Walkers because of her brush with death via radiation poisoning, and now she's overcome that and is killing Walkers again.

    I kind of like Wes mostly because he's calling bullshit on the gang's altruism and shooting down their attempts to relate to him. Though I got to say it's hella convenient he's been the one painting the trees. That means he even passed by the area with the Nuclear plant from the first half of the season, since that's where the first painted tree was spotted. And clearly, despite what was first hinted at at first, these have noting to do with Dwight's wife. Also, half the internet is wrong on this one and these trees are not proof that Madison is still alive and painting the trees. Seriously, do a Google search, you'll see what I mean.

    I know they did it mostly for a shocking twist, but it really wasn't such a great idea for the guy Wes was chasing to pretend to be a Walker when he was found at the end. I mean, what if Wes decided to shoot him in the head first so he could go retrieve his manuscript in relative safety?

    So, did I interpret things said correctly and Logan is in fact working for someone else pulling the strings? I guess that could explain why his gang so willingly took him back after hanging him out to dry, if it's the wish of a higher authority.
    Never mind that, didn't they abandon Logan at the oil fields and make him walk back to his gang? When he got back to them, couldn't he just have said, "yeah, they're back that way several miles"?
     
  6. Morpheus 02

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    I think the point is that the gas is goong bad. Refined gas, even in an unopened tank, would go bad right about now (what is the timeline anyway?)

    Not sure what it takes to refine CRUDE (which WOULD last a lifetime)...but maybe that is part of the secret?
     
  7. TREK_GOD_1

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    I say choice #1. There's no way he would have survived with no fluids (IV) or any other care (prevention of bed sores, circulation issues from being in bed for too long, etc.) and laid out in a coma for a month, only to emerge and get his bearings so quickly.

    But how? They didn't starve to death. If they were barricaded, they were not among those who were going to die of Captain Trips. Did they all get a little bite, but avoid being devoured until they died?[/QUOTE]

    Or perhaps they were all exposed to another major virus--like the kind that killed all of the prison Red Shirts on TWD. Once some died from it, when they turned it would only be a matter of time before they attacked others. It certainly seems like that was the case--or the only one making sense

    Yes, that did not last long, but she's still trying to be hopeful with the tree painting business.

    ….and he--and the kids--should be sick after spending so much time in the area. That said, the last thing I want to see is Wes have a change of heart at season's end all to justify Alicia's newfound beliefs.

    Yeah. I did not like the way Madison was killed off (she became interesting toward the end of Kim Dickens' run on the show), but I accepted her fate as being a done deal.

    Yes. I assume he's working for the Isabelle's .black-clad group, whoever they are.
     
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  8. The Wormhole

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    Where this show currently is, roughly three years after the apocalypse. Walking Dead itself is about a decade after the apocalypse as of the end of season 9.
    Yeah, it feels more realistic that he remain against the gang. Not against as in an enemy, but against as in not accepting of their peaceful and helping ways. Unfortunately, I suspect they're almost certainly going to have him have a change of heart and become a productive member of Morgan's Peace Corps.
     
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  9. RJDiogenes

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    Good point. I'm sure a lot of the Zombies are suicides.

    "What th--? My GPS isn't working."

    Well, that's kinda my point. :D
     
  10. RPOW0614

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    The "meh-ness" continues.

    The "Where are the oil fields!" story is lame.
    As someone else said so much better up thread "You're in friggen Texas! Look around!"

    New guy, while at first seemed interesting, quickly turned into a lying nothing burger.
    Only a FTWD writer could think killing someone for stealing your manuscript is justified.

    I think I'm watching out of habit more than anything else.

    I want this to devolve into the "June and John: Love and Loss in the Zombie Apocalypse" show, since they are the only two characters I like anymore. And I think it's only because I've always liked the actors.
     
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  11. TREK_GOD_1

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    That would be an eyeroll inducer. Morgan wanting to help / avoid his Clear past is one thing, but this group does not have the manpower or resources to make a notable improvement on the lives of even an entire city, let any one state. The showrunners certainly are preaching something more than basic altruism, to the point of making its characters seem unrealistic--on a show about cannibalistic corpses.

    Yes, it should not come as a surprise that a character doing something immoral over a story would never face much judgement for that, if we recall how Alicia and Strand did not say much of anything about his actions--only trying to justify them because his brother died.
     
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  12. Turd Ferguson

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    I was thinking the same thing when watching this. I still like Alicia and Strand, but everybody else is so BORING besides June and John Dorie. I really really would love for the focus to go onto those two characters getting into adventures gunslinger-style in an old West type scenario. But, unfortunately, we're going to keep getting lame villains like Logan.

    (Hell, if we're going with the "WHERE'S THE OIL FIELDS????!!!!?" plot line, I wouldn't mind them doing a Road Warrior type situation with various factions going to war over a gallon of petrol :)
     
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  13. RJDiogenes

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    There are a lot of weird people on this show. :rommie:

    So the Writer Guy was chasing the Thieving Guy and tried to kill him because the Thieving Guy stole his manuscript, and when the Writer Guy finally caught up to the Thieving Guy, the Thieving Guy pretended to be a Zombie to catch him off guard and then tried to kill him back, but ended up getting killed himself. And then Writer Guy decided to let dead Thieving Guy have the manuscript in death, even though he wrote it for his dead brother, making it possibly the only manuscript to be written after the Zombie Apocalypse. And the manuscript provides evidence that Writer Guy was the one painting the inspirational messages on the trees, even though he hardly seems the inspirational type. So. What was the manuscript about? What is the meaning of the inspirational message? Why did Thieving Guy steal it? People are people!

    In other news, Max Headroom is now implying that his search for the oil fields is part of a larger agenda that will save lives. In fact, he was starting to sound kinda like Althea's girlfriend, which I'm surprised Althea didn't pick up on. So is he the Jadis of Fear, working for the Helicopter Men In Black? But why would MIBs with access to all kinds of resources like helicopters be unable to find oil fields?

    And Morgan is still having problems with his short end of the stick. :(

    Oh, and I'm getting a kick out of these Once Upon A Time-like openings that are custom made for each episode. Have they always done that and I just started noticing?
     
  14. Morpheus 02

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    I think they are way overdoing the joke with Morgans stick
    I am not sure...the first season, it was supposed to be scary with a different sound.

    I am NOT sure if the introduction of John Dory added that will west vibe, and that they started customizing it then. If it is free on demand I might check it out
     
  15. The Wormhole

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    I've been thinking about that, given that they clearly have enough fuel to fly multiple helicopters from wherever their secret base is to Virginia and Texas, finding the oil fields should be as simple as doing a flyby and spotting them. Best I can figure if Logan is indeed working for them, they've kept the location of the oil fields a secret from him and he wants to find them as a means of gaining leverage over and/or independence from them.
    They've been doing it since the fourth season. I didn't notice it until they pointed it out on Talking Dead for the episode where Nick died.
     
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  16. RJDiogenes

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    I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a joke. First it made me feel bad for him, and now it made him fall down in the middle of a fight. That may be foreshadowing a failure at a crucial moment-- such as with Grace's life at stake. Which would be ironic.

    That would be an interesting twist.

    Weird. I didn't notice till about three or four weeks ago.
     
  17. JD

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    I finally got caught up, and I enjoyed the last batch of episode.
    For the first episode, I'll admit the stuff with the minefield around the house was kind of meh, but I did like the interviews.
    I really liked the mall episode, I've always liked Morgan and Grace has been slowly growing on me, so I did like the focus on them. After her story about the horse, I remembered that we saw the gang running into some people on horseback in the SDCC trailer, so I wonder if she might get her chance to ride a horse after they run into them. I know she got her little riding a white horse moment on the carousel, but I could still see them giving her a chance to ride a real one.
    This last one was pretty good, I liked the stuff with Morgan and Alicia, and Wes was pretty good. I'm not quite sure I get why after tracking down the guy who stole the manuscript and killing him for it, he didn't take it.
    Him being the person painting the trees was definitely unexpected.
    As for Logan and his wanting the oil field, I've gotten the impression that it is the only place anyone knows about where you can find gas that will still work.
     
  18. Jayson1

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    I think the idea is if he takes back the manascript it will make that guys death a hollow one. Plus it represents him giving up on his artistic expression. Jason
     
  19. JD

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    OK, I get that, thanks.
     
  20. TREK_GOD_1

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    Season 5 / Episode 12 - "Ner Tamid"


    Charlie: Children are curious, but Charlie's questions to the rabbi were too much on the exposition side for the audience, and brought up a problem with Charlie as a character: what is her purpose now? I assume she's long past the guilt stage of killing Nick (since Alicia forgave her), so her journey is undefined. She just seeks to buddy-up with random adults--first Daniel,(a man she doesn't know well at all) and now its the rabbi. Again, not much of a purpose, other than "we need a safe place" idea that everyone is looking for, so its not a unique plot point for her.

    Rabbi: The Walking Dead showrunners and their selective treatment of religion, and it comes in two parts: aside from the rinse and repeat of a religious figure believing his troubles were (in part) tied to a negative past with his congregation (Father Gabriel), the glaring difference here is that characters like Hershel Greene were often mocked for his beliefs (not happening in this case) , or not trusted from the start / always having to "prove" himself, no matter how many positive and/or heroic acts he performed for others (Father Gabriel). And before anyone mentions Gabriel warning Deanna about Rick's group made him untrustworthy, it must be remembered that this was the period not long after the slaughter of the Terminus survivors in his church, and the impression that wherever they go, people end up dead (as in the failed rescue of Beth, and Tyreese being fatally bitten not long after). So, in the timeline, his concerns were legitimately motivated.

    The second part is the idea of a religious person or leader either abandoning faith (in TWD S4, even Hershel admitted that he had briefly "lost his way"), while the show's survivalist (as in violent survivalist's) rarely have any crisis of belief, which is unrealistic, since they are in what they perceive to be a permanent disaster zone (the world), so they have to be motivated not to blow their brains out by something. Either a belief in something larger than themselves (IOW, not the atheistic / quasi-feudalistic system of Negan and the Saviors, or scavenging barbarity of the Wolves or the "Claimed" gang). But this is never explored--that kind of character is just allowed to be strong until they run out of luck / run into the Bigger Bad. Without a greater belief / foundation or purpose, humans living in a world overrun by the cannibalistic dead would be among the first to fall apart, but again, the WD TV franchise loves to drape that doubt or crisis on the religious characters, when they would likely have stronger internal tools from which to draw strength either to live another day, or see a day beyond the ZA.

    John Dorie / June: Er..the reason they never carry tools like spears, bats, or hammers? That would have solved the issue of being cornered by walkers, and give a bit of distance when striking. Have thy learned nothing from Morgan?

    Dwight: Its good to see him sort of settling into being a part of the group, but as mentioned in other reviews, I'm hoping this does not lead to another, possibly fatal encounter with the Logan-ite he spared, or he learns Sherry is among the group they are fighting, leading to his final fork in the road.

    NOTES: So, Logan's gang reach the quarry where the gas is stored. From the previews, Wendell sort of looks like he's up the creek without a paddle (again, as in the runway/lighting scene weeks ago), while there's just chaos all around. From the fires, one might guess the gas supply might end up being wasted/weaponized.

    GRADE: C+.