Fear the Walking Dead Season 3 discussion and spoilers.

[TREK_GOD_1]

Lightning took out the Zombie to save Daniel at the last minute, WTF? Really? is this the best the writers can do?

We've seen WD characters get out of near death situations in more improbable ways. Dumpster, anyone?

Besides, the lighting struck at the moment Daniel was begging to God; he's still self serving/violent, but he has a hunger for redemption, and the lighting might have been a sign that in the event he lives, its possible.

 

[sojourner]

Now what, I wonder? Will he take over, or make his escape to look for Ophelia?

I guess the people asking this didn't see the teaser for the next episode they showed at the end.

 

[EmoBorg]

Fear The Walking Dead...is running out of good stories to tell!


Personally, I would have created "World of the Walking Dead"...make it an anthology, and give people around the world to tell some Walker stories, in different stages, in a style of that region...so Bollywood or Nollywood (Nigeria) might have their own stories, done in their way (but not a Bollywood musical!)...and from that area's perspective, maybe show how the zombie outbreak might be unique.

I don't mind zombies dancing with humans in a bollywood musical. It could be like MJ's Thriller mixed with Bad.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Lightning took out the Zombie to save Daniel at the last minute, WTF? Really? is this the best the writers can do?

Is it really any worse than the magic tornado that took out the horde in The Walking Dead before they got to Alexandria?

Edit: I was just amazed that they showed actual weather on one of these shows!

 

[Noname Given]

It's a real shame they didn't give us a view of the Zombie Apocalypse from say, a military unit or other actual Government type perspective (IE some actual Government or Scientific types trying to end/combat the source of the plague. <--- That would have been a different and possibly 'fresh' take on the whole thing and a contrast from TWD.

 

[theenglish]

Is it really any worse than the magic tornado that took out the horde in The Walking Dead before they got to Alexandria?

Edit: I was just amazed that they showed actual weather on one of these shows!

Wouldn't the internet just freak out if Kirkman went the BSG route and revealed the zombie apocalypse actually comes from God? It would certainly explain these wild rescues and faith and religion have been themes throughout.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

It's a real shame they didn't give us a view of the Zombie Apocalypse from say, a military unit or other actual Government type perspective (IE some actual Government or Scientific types trying to end/combat the source of the plague. <--- That would have been a different and possibly 'fresh' take on the whole thing and a contrast from TWD.

There are at least a dozen different things they could have done to show a truly different perspective on this world. Frozen north, tropical areas, desert areas, megacities (Tokyo, Delhi, etc), island peoples, official units, religious enclaves. Hell, even just taking the standard walking dead shtick and importing it to europe with creepy small back alleys and ancient castles would've been more entertaining. But it seems the creators don't have the imagination for any of that. Even the boat storyline last season (which could've been a truly unique element) was written as straightforward and unimaginative as possible.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Real world...it would cost way too much. Only a movie like I am Legend was able to pull that off.

I suppose. You'd think that the occasional feral dog pack wouldn't be too hard-- or maybe just one to show that they're out there.

Our fanboy rationalization could be that domesticated animals aren't tough enough to survive or find food that man packed away.

Maybe the Zombie Virus kills dogs and cats, but doesn't resurrect them. When the Apocalypse is over, people will begin to use apes as pets.....

I guess the people asking this didn't see the teaser for the next episode they showed at the end.

I can guarantee that at least one of them didn't.

 

[publiusr]

"It may be the Apocalypse, but it's not Communism." It's good to have priorities. .

I'd have had more respect for Dante if--when the gun was pointed at him--he had climbed over the rail--looked back, and said--before jumping:

Let it be known that I never gave pity--not asked for any

 

[RJDiogenes]

That would have been a bit surreal-- but a nice touch.

 

[publiusr]

That would have been a bit surreal-- but a nice touch.

Surreal would be Efrain--who kinda reminded me of "Exidor" from Mork & Mindy.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I don't mind zombies dancing with humans in a bollywood musical. It could be like MJ's Thriller mixed with Bad.

Go face the corner for bringing up the dreaded 1980s.

It's a real shame they didn't give us a view of the Zombie Apocalypse from say, a military unit or other actual Government type perspective (IE some actual Government or Scientific types trying to end/combat the source of the plague. <--- That would have been a different and possibly 'fresh' take on the whole thing and a contrast from TWD.

Like Kirkman, AMC is deathly afraid of showing anything from a government perspective, as it automatically demands real stories addressing the cause of the ZA, which no one dares try to explain after TWD's 1st season finale. Its as though they fear being criticized and/or mocked for whatever they would create as the source, when no one is going to run a purely fantasy explanation through the believability filter.

This week's episode:
"Burning in Water, Drowning in Flame"--

Madison is such an ass. I believe heavy-set the man in fatigues referred to a "hump". If so, he was referring to the military slang for carrying a rucksack during a march. But she's so single-minded in her perceptions, she took it mean something sexual.

Next, she's going on about how they survived in the wasteland...but left out how they were repeatedly doing that by the skin of their teeth (and with the most help from Strand). For a badass, she almost lost her life with two walkers.

Alicia's "what's the point" about art? Not the sharpest pencil in the box; the fastest way to become a thing just living for no reason (or having no reason to live) is to abandon culture. I'm guessing it cannot be due to still not seeing the bigger picture this early on in the ZA, since TWD's 1st season characters still read books, etc., and they too were still new to the overwhelming level of the plague.

Old man Otto: more over-the-top stereotyping about the beauty of the gun. But at least he said his comment about Luciana had nothing to do with skin color.

I have a feeling Luciana might end up a walker candidate, just to send Nick to a darker place in the plot. Terrible if true, as she's one of the most interesting characters on this show.

I did enjoy Strand calling out Daniel on his constant threats. That crap is getting old all over again, and abandoning him at the hotel? The showrunners cannot continue to have Daniel do whatever crappy thing he desires to others and not pay a price for it.

The native American group come off like assholes, and I suspect they will be the central problem for some time--or at least Madison will make them that, since she's plotting revenge for Travis' death..

 

[RJDiogenes]

Surreal would be Efrain--who kinda reminded me of "Exidor" from Mork & Mindy.

Even better than a regular anthology of ZA stories, would be an anthology of ZA stories where every episode is based on an old sitcom. "Good morning, Mr and Mrs Roper, what's wro-- aaargh! Chrissy, run!"

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

"Red Dirt"--

"Everybody would have died without you"--series going a long way to make Madison Super Survivor Rick 2.0.

Residents trying to take off and/or hoard supplies after a scare / conflict? Didn't we see that in Woodbury and the ASZ?

The entire Jake / Troy dynamic seems a bit too much of a copy+paste job from the ASZ's Aiden and Spencer; Aiden--like Troy--was the faux "leader" with a need for authority he did not earn, while the brother is laid back, and not (initially) wanting to take over, but thinks he can deal with the enemy.

The Clark family is pretty destructive with what seems to be a divide & conquer scheme: Alicia is working on Jake to a leader--but only up to a point; Madison is all but singing a battle hymn into Troy's ear (fueling his manhood / territorial issues--and leading him to kill Vernon & his family) and using the dead residents to inspire the other residents to join that crusade, while Nick is warming up to Jeremiah as the son he never had. Many butting heads in that mix.

Once again, Alicia goes dumbass and chases after a boyfriend--and that's the heart of the season finale.

The heavy-handed political commentary. Enough, already. It's not that kind of show, and they are bad (juvenile) at trying to weave that into what was supposed to be a horror/survival drama.

At least Strand returns next week.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Ugh...why are we supposed to "like" Madison.. she needs to go, sorry. Either that, or set her up as a West Coast Negan. Either way, I don't like her "leadership", and how OK she was with the murder of a founding family.

I would disagree with Trek_god_1 0 Jake and Troy are different... Jake was waaaaay more character than Spencer, and in this case it would be a shame to lose him.

With Alicia...she at least picks out boyfriends that have SOME decency in them...but I hope she doesn't get any new boyfriends for a while (if they go any more seasons). But isn't she UNDER age 18? I know -- no rules for the apocalypse.... but I would still have that for my kids!

And this #WhereIsOfelia garbage... it's like the producers have even given up and start mocking the show!! #WHereIsTobias???

 

[theenglish]

I've thought from the first season that we were watching the evolution of the "bad" survivors. This season only has me more convinced. It would certainly be an intriguing concept if done correctly--demonstrating the evolution of a group of people who come to be seen as "evil" but who see themselves as the protagonists.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Ugh...why are we supposed to "like" Madison.. she needs to go, sorry. Either that, or set her up as a West Coast Negan. Either way, I don't like her "leadership", and how OK she was with the murder of a founding family.

I've thought from the first season that we were watching the evolution of the "bad" survivors. This season only has me more convinced. It would certainly be an intriguing concept if done correctly--demonstrating the evolution of a group of people who come to be seen as "evil" but who see themselves as the protagonists.

I think you both offer a unique idea for a series set in this world; for seven years, TWD looked into the villain's head only to justify their sadistic beliefs--as if they were born evil, but in the case of the Clark family, they are a pack of self-serving, throat-cutting people who (in some way) see themselves as being on the right side of anything.

Unfortunately, the showrunners will never have the series go in that direction. Since FTWD is not bound by much of anything from the parent series, it can go off on any questionable direction (a direction that would not play in TWD), such as making a very unlikeable character like Madison into some wannabe badass who forces her will on people who (in real life) would not listen to one minute of the crap the character spews. But I suppose inexperienced, city-dwelling characters acting like seasoned guerilla fighters is the new kind of heroism, which stands in contrast to the way TWD handled turning weak characters into fighters in a more believable timeframe (e.g. Carl, Carol, Father Gabriel, et al).

And this #WhereIsOfelia garbage... it's like the producers have even given up and start mocking the show!! #WHereIsTobias???

Their way of trying to build fan interest the series is not.

 

[Morpheus 02]

The mid season finale of Fear the Walking Dead is tonight? DO you guys care? -- Not a sarcastic attack, just a sincere question. I would NOT be mad if you said you did NOT care... All I wiil say for now, is I really don't like Madison at this point. She seems like a Negan-in-the-making-wanna-be.

I assume Ofelia will return tonight... maybe rescuing Nick's girlfriend and/or finding her father. & STrand. WiIl they reunite with the Clark family? If not, it will be kinda lame. But if so, will it feel contrived?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The mid season finale of Fear the Walking Dead is tonight? DO you guys care? -- Not a sarcastic attack, just a sincere question. I would NOT be mad if you said you did NOT care

Care? Its probably more about seeing what happens when certain people behind TWD try to turn it into some larger franchise, not necessarily to tell different stories, but to explore things no fan was really asking for, and the one thing many were interested in--like how the ZA really started is ignored....

All I wiil say for now, is I really don't like Madison at this point. She seems like a Negan-in-the-making-wanna-be.

...and on that note...

Two part mid-season finale:
"The Unveiling" / "Children of Wrath"

Key points:

So silly how everyone in the Otto family just listens to/follows the Clarks when they are still an unknown element, but its about time Jake put Madison in her place as an outsider.

Injecting the tribal revenge / land plot into what should have been a survival horror series just plays as showrunners wanting to use the WD brand to explore political issues they could not get greenlit as a separate, non-zombie show. Oh, and everyone is soooo gritty. Honestly, where is the horror of any kind on a show spawned from the original concept?

Anyway...

So, Madison has hid the fact Troy killed the departing family (from last week), so now she blackmails him into the Biggest Dumbass Rescue Plan in History. Of course, asking an unhinged guy to lead that rescue makes Madison a moron for the history books, as she's (and her cohorts) now set the deaths of others in motion yet again. From the army in season one, to the hotel residents and now the Ottos, one wonders how any of the Clarks (and Daniel) are supposed to be the protagonists of this series.

Convenient cutting down of numbers with convenient poisoned food/water, courtesy of Ophelia. With reduced numbers--especially among the guards--it will make it easy for the untrained Clark family to take over.

Ophelia's capture: Sooo, when did Madison practice punching through car windows (and not ripping her hand to shreds, even if using the butt of a gun) and then taking down...anyone?

As this finale unfolds, I was wondering when G.I. Madison would jump the gun (using Troy as her lackey/muscle) do something incredibly stupid against Walker's group no matter what the obstinate Jeremiah Otto thinks. Oh, wait--that did not take too long with the theft of Walker's family bones.

...and just how did Madison and Alicia drive up on Walker's camp without being heard...driving a truck??

Strand's conversation with the "Russian" means what? Since it certainly sent him back to the road...

Ahh. Madison is a murderer. Patricide, to be specific. I guess this is where she's supposed to win the sympathy of the audience, particularly after her "I would do it again" line. Kind of makes one wonder just how Alicia and Nick's father really died....

Now Nick murdered Jeremiah...and why do we care about the Clark family of liars and murderers who will do anything (murder, mutilating corpses, etc.) to save their own skin? Even Rick Grimes at his worst (which took roughly 5 seasons to get that point) was not as reprehensible as the so-called "heroes" of this show.

I assume Ofelia will return tonight..

You called it! I can only imagine what Daniel will do once he sees her in the middle of this situation.

Well, that's it for this half of the season, and the most interesting character--Strand--was sidelined aside from one full episode. Terrible misuse of the character.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Yeah, I agree , crazy episode that disappoints.

I am disappointed that the ranch didn't fall...but looks like the fall won't happen until September.

So does Anthrax REALLy work like it did on the show? ANd would Nick have survived so easily? Could they have done something where it works like a drug overdose, and couldn't they have used Nick's knowledge of overdosing & recovery to play in helping heal some of the sick?

I like the Native American grievances coming into play, as a REAL reason to fight, and the opportunity, away from the courts, that justice COULD be served. The way they worked it this season, we had some good moral ambiguity of both sides. But instead, in one fell swoop, make Jeremiah just a standard racist, against both Native Americans AND Mexicans. Oh, AND a murderer. It made it too easy to side completely with Walker.

With STrand...according to the actor on Talking Dead, this incident was to show how Strand was leaving the old world behind....which, in a way, is stupid. I liked his flair of wearing a suit in the APocalypse, and his manipulations seem like a good skill in this world. ANd what's rally crazy -- setting this all on fire at night. Yeah, visually cool (Korean historical dramas have fights with flaming arrows for the same reason), but just dumb. I mean...sleep through the night on the Abigail, and THEN , in the DAYLIGHT, burn the ship...and as you walk away, you can look out for Walkers. Also, how often does the cosmonaut orbit the earth? Couldn't he caluculate the next time he'd fly over? I hope