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Far Beyond the Stars....

I thought the episode was brilliant. And Stephen Barnes, the episode writer, lived near where my favorite English professor does!
 
It was a good, but lets face it, kind of sel-indulgent episode. I think the best thing about it is that it stands out as an example of Star Trek trying something really different and pulling it off. Probably the last time that happened. Frankly I could have done without the season 7 Benny writing the future crap. It was a nice little salute the science fction, it didnt need to become a larger part of the already overcomplicated ds9 plot.
 
in JJ's world of startrek, Earth is a perfect society... paradise. no poverty, no racism, no crime. and people do things for the benefit of mankind. wonderful concept i think, jj... is such a visionary.

That's got to be a wind-up :rommie:

it didnt need to become a larger part of the already overcomplicated ds9 plot.

Life is "overcomplicated". That's why I like DS9. Very true to life.
 
...Armin Shimmerman is a human!?! Who would've thunk it?..
Did anyone recognize the rocket in the office?

Buffy Summer, I suppose <shrug>

Remind me about the rocket?

dJE
The rocket looks a lot like the rocket from the Tintin comics...so much so that I'm sure it's an homage.

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it didnt need to become a larger part of the already overcomplicated ds9 plot.

Life is "overcomplicated". That's why I like DS9. Very true to life.

Well, yeah life is complicated. But I cant remember the last time I found out that my mother was a non corporeal entity who birthed me to save a civilisation while at the same time my life was being controlled by a writer, who looked exactly like me, hundreds of years in the past.

But then, I dont really get out as much as I used to.
 
it didnt need to become a larger part of the already overcomplicated ds9 plot.

Life is "overcomplicated". That's why I like DS9. Very true to life.

Well, yeah life is complicated. But I cant remember the last time I found out that my mother was a non corporeal entity who birthed me to save a civilisation while at the same time my life was being controlled by a writer, who looked exactly like me, hundreds of years in the past.

But then, I dont really get out as much as I used to.

Lol then you're watching the wrong genre of TV.
 
it didnt need to become a larger part of the already overcomplicated ds9 plot.

Life is "overcomplicated". That's why I like DS9. Very true to life.

Well, yeah life is complicated. But I cant remember the last time I found out that my mother was a non corporeal entity who birthed me to save a civilisation while at the same time my life was being controlled by a writer, who looked exactly like me, hundreds of years in the past.

But then, I dont really get out as much as I used to.

:guffaw: :guffaw: :guffaw:
 
It's the only episode of Star Trek that my Mum ever watched all the way through and thought it was interesting. Outside of that she hates Trek with a vengence. So that's really saying something. To me this episode is clever on so many levels and certainly is up there with the very best that Star Trek has to offer.
 
I think the country has a problem with a leader that is inept on a good day. His color has nothing to do with his lack of performance.
 
I just hated this episode.
I hate that they made a black character 400 years into the future that is still concerned over the issues of race that began some 600 years ago. Have we not gotten over this by now.

Yes I know it was a statement on current issues but....Good grief it wasn't the first time they did it in DS9. (The Fontaine program issues and Sisko) How do you justify a black man who's 400 years removed from racism to still have it at the fore front of his mind?
 
When I was watching it I was reminded of the Comic Code and how it banned a comic due to the hero at the end of the strip taking his spacesuit helmet off and he was (GASP) Black...

It is a very good episode, and very good for non-trek fans. Though it might not be in my top ten episodes of DS9.
 
I just hated this episode.
I hate that they made a black character 400 years into the future that is still concerned over the issues of race that began some 600 years ago. Have we not gotten over this by now.

Yes I know it was a statement on current issues but....Good grief it wasn't the first time they did it in DS9. (The Fontaine program issues and Sisko) How do you justify a black man who's 400 years removed from racism to still have it at the fore front of his mind?

How is it the forefront of his mind? He's clearly established as being into his cultural roots. I think being uncomfortable with playing a holodeck sim set in a time and place where his people were second-class citizens is being true to the character.
 
It also has what I consider the two worst final scenes in this whole series with Avery Brooks going so over-the-top in that fit he throws in his office and his monologue in the space station (oh how cringe-inducing his cadence is in that scene!) that he out-Shatners Shatner as his hammiest. The first time I saw this episode, I enjoyed it mostly for how unique it looked and because its positive message really is touching, but the bad acting ruined it for me so much that I never want to watch it again.

Oh good, I thought I was all alone here. For all the lambasting and jokes about Shatner, Brooks was well over the top with his weird vocal patterns in many an episode; his dressing down of Nog in Paradise Lost was god awful and I remember one episode, thought the name escapes me, where he turns "let's just say" into the breathlessly clipped "Let's. Just. Sayyyy." Good God. In this one, his breakdown pulled me right out of the story. I was with him until that point. I also didn't need to ever see this character again, and when they brought him back in season 7, I was convinced the final episode was going to make the entire series a Benny Russell Creation. Whew. But then again, I was never a fan of the popular bits like Benny, Vic Fontaine and, ugh, the fricking Jack Pack (leave that Lone Gunman crap to the X-Files).

I think it all started when Brooks shaved his head for the series and let himself go. Before that, he was in control and his contained energy was actually pretty gripping. I loved his work in the first 3 seasons. While he still had some great work to do afterward, he just wasn't the same. However, during space battle scenes, nobody shouts "fire" as well. Books has tremendous talent, but like Shatner, he needs someone to reign him in. When he directs himself, the results are mixed (again, like Shatner), ranging from really good to batshit crazy.
 
Wow, an episode I remember from Title Name alone. Thank you Virgin Media's TV Choice on Demand for showing Star Trek for that very brief but very welcome moment.
I like how it was written and that this episode was different, yet happily kept to Star Trek's equal cival rights tradition, and also, that I got to see what the cast looked like, with out their usual stage makeup on.
 
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I didn't really notice the whole 400 years later thing, but I tell you I don't watch Star Trek for the characters to get bent out of shape about the civil rights issue. I watch it for the story lines, and this story line was mostly decent. The whole "Russell is Sisko is Russell..." was good; and in this one we got to see the human actors! That was actually the best part for me.
 
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