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Fan reactions to Starfleet Academy's female Jem'Hadar/Klingon hybrid character

Non hominid would be nice. A Horta like Nahrat from the novels or triped like Arex from TAS.

Would prefer an Andorian main character rather than more weird forehead widget aliens, too.
My (sci-fi) headcanon is convergent evolution. Like many species turning into crabs, the humanoid shape is the "peak" evolutionary shape for space-faring species - 2x eyes & ears for 3D perception, 2x limbs for object manipulation, 2x for walking, a digestive tube that can make sounds in them middle - and anything more than that is inefficient & evolved away like tailbones, and anything less doesn't develop an intelligent, technological civilization.


But yeah - I would love to see some more variety - make-up, full face-masks, puppets, animated aliens. I give them some slack for a weekly show. But Farscape was peak
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But also - if the show wants to show it's actors faces - just make them human? TOS was all humans except one - and TNG all but 3 - and that still works!
 
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I found the character rather... bad, but nothing to do with the actress. The concept isn't inconceivable that the genetic engineering could be undone, but extremely unlikely and hard to see why the Founders would ever justify the effort. Even if Odo did to the Dominion what DS9 said Spock did to the Mirror Empire (and just as likely the "drop became the ocean." The idea of Jem'Haddar 'lineage' is foreign to anything in DS9, so would all have been designed in the intervening centuries. Possibly they had the original source race hidden somewhere and it wasn't the Tosk like was commonly speculated.

The idea of Klingon hybrids goes against all that as well from Martok: "We don't embrace other cultures, we conquer them!"
I don't get why there going here at all. They should give a story reason at some point.
 
Well... Given one's a Klingon and one's a Jem'Hadar they almost surely met while trying to either kill each other or someone else...

Probably fought...

And then ended up sleeping together.
Heck of a meet cute there. :lo:
Though my speculation subroutine is pondering the idea of a Jem'Hadar-Klingon alliance.
 
We have three(!) half-Klingons now on the show - Jayden, teacher-lady, and badguy(tm). Plus a giant Star Trek online Klingon fleet in the trailer battling with the Federation.
This will surely be a part of the overarching season arc.
 
I really fail to see why people have a problem with either a female Jem'Hadar or a hybrid Klingon-Jem'Hadar hybrid. As others have pointed out, Weyoun told us that the Founders genetically engineered the Vorta from an existing species. It stands to reason that they did the same thing for the Jem'Hadar (and this has been speculated by many in fandom since DS9 as well). There were both male and female Vorta. Since there were both male and female Vorta, that means that they could reproduce sexually (not just cloning as the Founders intended). While we were unaware of female Jem'Hadar, it doesn't mean the base template species of the Jem'Hadar didn't have them. Lack of seeing something doesn't mean it didn't exist.

How exactly the Jem'Hadar went from exclusively being cloned back to sexual reproduction? Well the Founders or Odo or the Jem'Hadar themselves had 800 years to figure it out. The Dominion as it existed in DS9 was 2000 years old. Surely they could reverse engineer the Jem'Hadar's genetic engineering in half that time.

I also am very confident that there is either overt or subconscious racism toward the character by some (not necessarily all, since we all have different opinions). But the orange one has unmasked a lot of previously hidden racism by certain people, surprisingly even by supposed fans of Star Trek who apparently have watched the show and never really got the message. I do not think we can discount that at least some of the vitriol towards the character is based on racism.

All that said, I love the character. I could have done with a bit less shouting, but other than that I think she's great and I'm really looking forward to seeing more of her and both her Klingon and Jem'Hadar sides. I do think those two races are quite similar in a lot of ways, so it's not hard to mix them into one character.
 
really fail to see why people have a problem with either a female Jem'Hadar or a hybrid Klingon-Jem'Hadar hybrid. As others have pointed out, Weyoun told us that the Founders genetically engineered the Vorta from an existing species. It stands to reason that they did the same thing for the Jem'Hadar (and this has been speculated by many in fandom since DS9 as well). There were both male and female Vorta. Since there were both male and female Vorta, that means that they could reproduce sexually (not just cloning as the Founders intended). While we were unaware of female Jem'Hadar, it doesn't mean the base template species of the Jem'Hadar didn't have them. Lack of seeing something doesn't mean it didn't exist.
Exactly. It's bullshit, pure and simple. It's assuming the Jem'Hadar know everything about their origins, when they treat the Founders as gods and we know information is withheld from them.
 
As much as I love Spock and B'Elanna Torres, it's nice to have a hybrid character who isn't in conflict about their dual heritage for a change. My only complaint so far is that hooking her up with Jett Reno feels way too random, and I'm not buying their relationship. Hopefully that will either change, or they'll break up.
 
I don't understand all this hate/vitriol online suddenly about the female Jem'Hadar/Klingon hybrid character from Starfleet Academy. People saying: "oh there can't be a female Jem'Hadar because the Jem'Hadar were all males". In the 24th century. There were no female Jem'Hadar in the 24th century because they were all genetically engineered (essentially clones "bred" not born) to be male. The Dominion genetically engineered the Jem'Hadar to be super soldiers and engineered/cloned them all to be male (being clones there was no need for women, also the Dominion mindset at the time being that having women would have made them weak). Things change over 800+ years. After returning to the Great Link Odo could have changed the Dominion and ultimately caused them to decide to clone female Jem'Hadar. For all we know the Dominion as it was in the 24th century may not even exist in the 32nd century. A female Jem'Hadar/Klingon hybrid character is an interesting idea for a character actually, seeing that both species are warrior, just warriors with slightly different ethos. Saying that because the Jem'Hadar were the way they were in DS9 means they can't be any different in Starfleet Academy makes absolutely no sense. By that logic a group of people who were a certain way in the 1200's at the time of the high middle ages and the crusades HAVE to be exactly that same way today in the 2000's.

Some pedants also point out that the actress has a "large body size" and say "Klingons and Jem'Hadar are warriors! They're all fit and have great physiques!" There have been plenty of heavy-set Klingons in Star Trek (General Koord in ST: V, Chancellor K'mpek from TNG, the chef at the Klingon restaurant in DS9 season 2 to name but a few). The character being heavyset is such a non-issue, and if she is the product of a union between an Jem'Hadar and a Klingon, there is no reason she couldn't have inherited the genes for larger body size.

People complain because of something that is new and different being done in a new Star trek series that is set in a timeframe beyond anything that's been seen so far. And they complain because this character is part Jem'Hadar and yet not like the Jem'Hadar in DS9 800 years past. A LOT can change in 800 years. I think Star Trek would be a lot less believable if nothing had changed after 800 years. These same people say this is an example of Star Trek's creative powers ignoring canon. It's not. It's building canon. Nothing about this character contradicts, retcons, or otherwise disrespects canon.

And then there's all the people saying that it's part of "the woke agenda". No it's not. It's just a character. Yet it's obviously played by a black woman and a person with some body size. So what? Why does/should that matter? Honestly all the hate/outrage over the character BEFORE the show has even premiered: much ado about nothing. I have a better idea: how about let's not go Green Eggs and Ham and actually wait until the series premieres and we actually see the character before passing judgement.

I remember a novel where Weyoun is explaining that although Vorta, both genders, are not fond of sex, they are more than welcomed to abuse their own sexuality to exploit their weak willed horny opponents into making concessions.

There was also half a page explaining what breasts look like, right next to that nugget.
 
I remember a novel where Weyoun is explaining that although Vorta, both genders, are not fond of sex, they are more than welcomed to abuse their own sexuality to exploit their weak willed horny opponents into making concessions.

There was also half a page explaining what breasts look like, right next to that nugget.
Vorta are supposed to be the Founders diplomats and public spies, so the idea that they wouldn't use sexuality in that manner is kind of funny.
 
Can I just say I'm just happy getting an alien main character again that at least looks like a fucking alien?

With full on face-mask and make-up and stuff?
I'm so sick of all these Lanthanites, Ilyrians, Kwejians, Khionians, and yes, Bethazoids, and every other "alien" main character that looks 100% human. Last time that was acceptable was in the 80s, and even then not really.

Bro, this! The human but actually isn't alien got played out decades ago
 
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