Excessive Criticism of "STAR TREK VOYAGER"
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Now to be fair to VOY point 2 is not exactly correct. It didn't follow DSN, S1-5 of VOY ran concurrent with S3-7 of DSN (if memory serves)
As for point 1 for those new to the franchise it might have semed new and intereting, for those who had been with the franchise for years/decades it might seem less interesting because there might be a certain element haven't we seen this story done before.
To be precise, the show came after TNG.
Why am I always in an argument about who gets to come first?
But I think it's a valid point.
Voyager is TNG's Canada.
What's Canada, the Canada of?
And if it had done the opposite, then the complaints would just be that the show was too different to count as Star Trek.
You can't win.
(No, don't bring up DS9 because DS9 is on some pedestal that protects it from real criticism).
DS9 is TNG's Mexico.
Not quite the whole story, as previously discussed.
Andromeda is TNG's Finland.
Doctor Who is TNG's Outer Mongolia.
Didn't DSN did draw some critism in it's early days as being set on a space station? So it's not always the setting but what you do with it. And you can see examples of what you are saying in SG:U. It was different from the previous shows and at times it some people where basically saying
You've changed it now it sucks, as with VOY perhaps you have the opposite It's the same now it sucks. We the viewer can be a very fickle bunch and can be very hard to please. For some certain elements of VOY didn't work as well as they thought they could and the production team on VOY didn't help matters with seemingly an endless suplly of photon's and shuttles despite saying they were resource rationed or couldn't replace torpedeos. Yes circumstances can change but it's a disservice to the viewer not say they now have this ability instead of it magically appearing when it was plot convineant. That is't to say VOY is alone in doing that.
You can praise something whilst still critising it, perhaps VOY just arrived at the wrong time, when audiance tastes seemed to be shifting towards more arc drive/long form story telling esp in thre SF genre. And yes the mobile nature of the show meant it couldn't to the political stuff that DSN did but it still could have done more with the ship/crew itself as that was more or less an unchaging element of the show. I never really got the impression that these people thought they and might never see home again. Now perhaps that's me and others got that impression that these people might never see home again from watching the show.
As I've said before "Living Witness" was one of VOY best episode that doesn't mean I can't critise it for seemingly contradicting an episode earlier that season haevily impyling that can't back-up the EMH. You want it it work better, then you drop a line in an episode in between at the end of a Log entry to say they have found a way to backup the EMH.
That's a bit paranoid, don't you think?
It's not paranoid if DS9 fans are really out to get you
Also, since you might not have seen this discussion before, yes that is a foundational argument of VOY being criticized for things DS9 did as well and some how "The Audience (trademark pending)" is ridiculously indulgent of DS9 while being equally unbalanced in it's insults hurled at VOY.
It's a logical fallacy at its core and leads poor conclusions. But the discussions are very entertaining.
