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Episodes that are generally considered "bad" that you actually like

Understandable. Back in the sixties, at the height of Civil Rights Movement, the Kirk/Uhura kiss was more provocative than, say, Khan kissing Marla, so it understandably gets more attention. It's the just that the "first interracial kiss" is more shorthand than literal truth.

I think the Memory Alpha listing for the episode has a discussion of the whole "first interracial kiss" thing, naming some of the other candidates.
 
Understandable. Back in the sixties, at the height of Civil Rights Movement, the Kirk/Uhura kiss was more provocative than, say, Khan kissing Marla, so it understandably gets more attention. It's the just that the "first interracial kiss" is more shorthand than literal truth.

You are forgiven. The significance of the kiss in Stepchildren in the context of the awful history of the USA regarding the treatment of black men and women can never be minimized.

I am sure Greg has posted somewhere else on this issue before so in this discussion I have the advantage of having seen his perspective and additional detail already. Technically not the first interracial kiss but huge symbolically with regard to American blacks and whites. This episode aired at a time in history when laws against interracial marriage were finally being challenged and struck down.

Honestly that the show got away with this and a character that looks like the Devil (they even joke about it in the Apple and Omega Glory) and the sexy nightgowns on actresses is amazing.

Thank you both. As biracial (black/white) person, I guess I was just focused on the type of interracial kiss that resonated with me the most. But of course there are other examples, that deserve just as much attention and appreciation!
 
"Space Seed" is an interesting case in that you had a Mexican actor playing a Sikh from northern India kissing a white actress, but, as far as I know, there was never any concern or controversy about that at the time, possibly because Ricardo Montalban had been playing Latin lovers on screen for years and years by then. Or because he wasn't actually Indian?

And certainly "interracial kiss" as a phrase is less awkward than "white male/black female kiss," which is what is meant.
 
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"Space Seed" is an interesting case in that you had a Mexican actor playing a Sikh from northern India kissing a white actress, but, as far as I know, there was never any concern or controversy about that at the time, possibly because Ricardo Montalban had been playing Latin lovers on screen for years and years by then. Or because he wasn't actually Indian?

And certainly "interracial kiss" as a phrase is less awkward than "white male/black female kiss," which is what is meant.

My general impression is that during the 1950s/1960s Latinos were for the most part seen as white. Montalban certainly was, since both of his parents immigrated directly from Spain, meaning he almost certainly didn't have any indigenous blood.

Certainly from what I've seen of popular media at the time, it was considered more scandalous for a Jewish guy to date a "white" woman than a (white-looking) Latino guy.
 
My general impression is that during the 1950s/1960s Latinos were for the most part seen as white. Montalban certainly was, since both of his parents immigrated directly from Spain, meaning he almost certainly didn't have any indigenous blood.

Certainly from what I've seen of popular media at the time, it was considered more scandalous for a Jewish guy to date a "white" woman than a (white-looking) Latino guy.

Although apparently Lucille Ball had to fight to be married to Desi on "I Love Lucy." From Wiki:

"In 1950, CBS asked Ball to take My Favorite Husband to television with co-star Richard Denning.[27] She, however, saw a television show as a great opportunity to work with Desi, so Lucy insisted that Desi play her husband, much to the dismay of CBS, which was reluctant because Arnaz was Cuban.[28] CBS executives believed that audiences would not believe the marriage between an all-American girl and a Latin man.[28] To prove CBS wrong, the couple developed a vaudeville act, written by Carroll and Pugh, that they performed at the Newburgh's historic Ritz Theater with Arnaz's orchestra.[29] The act was a hit and convinced CBS executive Harry Ackerman that a Ball-Arnaz pairing would be a worthwhile venture. At the same time, rival networks NBC, ABC, and DuMont were showing interest in a Ball-Arnaz series, which Ackerman used to convince CBS to sign the duo."
 
Thank you both. As biracial (black/white) person, I guess I was just focused on the type of interracial kiss that resonated with me the most. But of course there are other examples, that deserve just as much attention and appreciation!

When I said you are forgiven I was joking around. I am no better than you. You didn't say or do anything wrong (not that you actually thought you did). This forum is a useful but flawed way to communicate.

I like you picking The Way To Eden as your favorite episode from Season 3. A few others did as well and I like that because that one usually comes in for criticism. I also like your suggestions on Picard antagonists if he must have one on the new show (Ardra or Vash). I will always enjoy having you in a discussion anywhere on this board.
 
When I said you are forgiven I was joking around. I am no better than you. You didn't say or do anything wrong (not that you actually thought you did). This forum is a useful but flawed way to communicate.

I like you picking The Way To Eden as your favorite episode from Season 3. A few others did as well and I like that because that one usually comes in for criticism. I also like your suggestions on Picard antagonists if he must have one on the new show (Ardra or Vash). I will always enjoy having you in a discussion anywhere on this board.

Thank you, Spectre of the Fun, you made my day! :)
 
I get a mild case of PTSD from this episode. I can't watch even a part of it without getting repulsed. No other ST episode of any series does that to me.
"The Walking Dead" has that effect on me.
I get repulsed by a few TNG and ENT episodes not because of any torture scenes but because of their overall message.
 
"Space Seed" is an interesting case in that you had a Mexican actor playing a Sikh from northern India kissing a white actress, but, as far as I know, there was never any concern or controversy about that at the time, possibly because Ricardo Montalban had been playing Latin lovers on screen for years and years by then. Or because he wasn't actually Indian?

And certainly "interracial kiss" as a phrase is less awkward than "white male/black female kiss," which is what is meant.
Also Montalban's parents were white Spanish people who migrated to Mexico, he was the same race as the actress he kissed, if you consider Caucasian an acceptable racial descriptor. Europeans from Spain are not a different race from Europeans from England or Germany.
 
Seriously, Star Trek as a whole would be so many memes poorer without "Spock's brain".
 
"The Omega Glory". And "The Naked Now".

I can see the criticisms of both. But I can't help it, I just enjoy them. :shrug: :D
 
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