DS9 on blu ray?

[MacLeod]

Of course some fans like myself might be waiting for the complete box set to come out.

 

[benjaminh]

It's funny. This whole thread sounds like the doom and gloom about TNG never getting the HD treatment after they finished TOS. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but I remain fairly optimistic it'll get done eventually.

But the differences with TNG are significant. First, the market for DS9 is somewhat smaller. Niners like myself are avid fans, but there just aren't as many of us as there are for TNG. Second, the cgi factor, as FrontierTrek said, makes it more expensive to rebuild DS9.

And so the smaller market and the higher costs make this more of an uphill climb. Add to that people "who are waiting for the complete set to go on sale," and you see the strong possibility that it may, in fact, never go on sale.

 

[FrontierTrek]

FrontierTrek- are you aware of any information as to whether CBS have considered TNG-R a success or a failure?

Not specifically. CBS's deal with TNG-r was multi-pronged, Blu-ray sales were only a small part of it.

FrontierTrek kept saying that the remastering of DS9 was solely dependent on TNG disc sales. If that is the case, then we have to work under the assumption that they were disappointing overall.

I don't recall saying that BillJ, certainly not so bluntly and not in recent memory. In fact I've made several statements contradicting this belief.

 

[Tosk]

"Oh no, no DS9R!"

"I can't wait, it'll definitely happen!"


...it's all guesswork. No one here knows for sure if it will happen.

 

[NewHorizon]

I don't recall saying that BillJ, certainly not so bluntly and not in recent memory. In fact I've made several statements contradicting this belief.

I recall either Robert Meyer Burnetthttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0122428/?ref_=tt_ov_wr or Mike Okuda suggesting something to that effect but I don't remember anyone from Trekcore saying it.

 

[Jefferies]

Not specifically. CBS's deal with TNG-r was multi-pronged, Blu-ray sales were only a small part of it.

Maybe then we are all barking up the wrong tree. Because from what little information we have the blu ray sales from the opening weeks alone seem to have recouped all the costs and after that they will have been making a profit.

However, if this project was largely relying on making money from other avenues maybe thats were the dissapointmet for CBS lies and a scepticism to make DS9-R successful. Afterall, apart from the blu rays where has TNG-R managed to surface? How many syndication deals have been struck? How much is it making from online streaming?

If the performance in these areas is poor for TNG how will DS9 ever be able to manage?

 

[benjaminh]

Amazon Prime has had the rebuilt HD episodes of TNG available for streaming for a while now. They must be paying a pretty penny for that. It puzzles me that Netflix doesn't have TNG in HD, but maybe Amzn paid for it to be exclusive.

Anyway, if Netflix or Amzn cut a big check to get DS9 in HD, I think the picture on this could change overnight. For both Netflix and Amazon Prime the various Trek shows are some of their most popular streaming products. If the execs in charge of these services were somehow made aware that they could make DS9 in HD happen, they might do something. Imho CBS should approach them with a direct offer of: "In exchange for $X millions of dollars we'll give you exclusive first access to DS9 in HD streaming for X number of years."

I realize I'm dreaming, but just maybe one way to move things along would be a new Star Trek series in the Prime universe from Netflix or Amazon. That, combined with rebuilds of DS9 and Voyager, would be strong a driver for new customers for either one of these services: "Amazon Prime—your exclusive home for Star Trek in HD! And, coming in 2016, an all-new Star Trek show on Prime set in, you guessed it, the Prime Universe!" Millions of Trek fans who are not yet customers would sign up. It would almost certainly be a nice money-maker all around.

Yes, I know. I need to wake up.

 

[Jefferies]

AFor both Netflix and Amazon Prime the various Trek shows are some of their most popular streaming products.

Says who? I'm speaking from irgnorance here as I truly have no idea how popular Trek shows are when it comes to streaming. However, I would be surprised if it were anything more than a niche market (as has been the case with Star Trek since the early to mid 90s in every other respect).

 

[benjaminh]

AFor both Netflix and Amazon Prime the various Trek shows are some of their most popular streaming products.

Says who? I'm speaking from irgnorance here as I truly have no idea how popular Trek shows are when it comes to streaming. However, I would be surprised if it were anything more than a niche market (as has been the case with Star Trek since the early to mid 90s in every other respect).

I've seen this over the years in a few places. This is the only link I have at the moment:

"...Trek's 737 hours of "reruns" performs as a top draw on Netflix...."

http://larrynemecek.blogspot.ca/2014/06/hold-your-horsestheres-no-netflix-cbs.html

 

[Robert Comsol]

I don't recall saying that BillJ, certainly not so bluntly and not in recent memory. In fact I've made several statements contradicting this belief.

I recall either Robert Meyer Burnett or Mike Okuda suggesting something to that effect but I don't remember anyone from Trekcore saying it.

There was this CBS press conference longer ago and the question popped up what had to be done to see DS9-R. The reply - as most people understood it - was that we all have to buy TNG-R first to make that happen, i.e. generate good TNG-R sales figures.

Bob

 

[SpHeRe31459]

I don't recall saying that BillJ, certainly not so bluntly and not in recent memory. In fact I've made several statements contradicting this belief.

I recall either Robert Meyer Burnett or Mike Okuda suggesting something to that effect but I don't remember anyone from Trekcore saying it.

There was this CBS press conference longer ago and the question popped up what had to be done to see DS9-R. The reply - as most people understood it - was that we all have to buy TNG-R first to make that happen, i.e. generate good TNG-R sales figures.

Bob

I believe it was an interview with the Okudas. Not something TrekCore/FrontierTrek said directly.

 

[Hober Mallow]

I recall either Robert Meyer Burnett or Mike Okuda suggesting something to that effect but I don't remember anyone from Trekcore saying it.

There was this CBS press conference longer ago and the question popped up what had to be done to see DS9-R. The reply - as most people understood it - was that we all have to buy TNG-R first to make that happen, i.e. generate good TNG-R sales figures.

Bob

I believe it was an interview with the Okudas. Not something TrekCore/FrontierTrek said directly.

Yes, and as I recall, the quote was more along the lines of "One thing you can do to show your support for these and future (i.e. DS9) projects is to buy the blurays" -- not, "either buy the blurays or no DS9."

 

[Admiral Bear]

There was this CBS press conference longer ago and the question popped up what had to be done to see DS9-R. The reply - as most people understood it - was that we all have to buy TNG-R first to make that happen, i.e. generate good TNG-R sales figures.

Bob

I believe it was an interview with the Okudas. Not something TrekCore/FrontierTrek said directly.

Yes, and as I recall, the quote was more along the lines of "One thing you can do to show your support for these and future (i.e. DS9) projects is to buy the blurays" -- not, "either buy the blurays or no DS9."

That's clearly the inference though. Logically, if TNG Blu-ray sales are poor, CBS aren't going to pay far more money to remaster a less popular show.

 

[mythme]

I've done my part. I even get the stand alone two-parters. I keep looking at my shelf and I see ENT, TOS, TNG (season six is coming today!) and the movies on Blu-ray and think "boy it sure would be nice to have the rest"

 

[Hober Mallow]

I believe it was an interview with the Okudas. Not something TrekCore/FrontierTrek said directly.

Yes, and as I recall, the quote was more along the lines of "One thing you can do to show your support for these and future (i.e. DS9) projects is to buy the blurays" -- not, "either buy the blurays or no DS9."

That's clearly the inference though. Logically, if TNG Blu-ray sales are poor, CBS aren't going to pay far more money to remaster a less popular show.

But it's important to remember that TOS and TNG bluray sales were never the only factor, just one part of larger plan of future proofing series.

 

[MacLeod]

It's funny. This whole thread sounds like the doom and gloom about TNG never getting the HD treatment after they finished TOS. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but I remain fairly optimistic it'll get done eventually.

But the differences with TNG are significant. First, the market for DS9 is somewhat smaller. Niners like myself are avid fans, but there just aren't as many of us as there are for TNG. Second, the cgi factor, as FrontierTrek said, makes it more expensive to rebuild DS9.

And so the smaller market and the higher costs make this more of an uphill climb. Add to that people "who are waiting for the complete set to go on sale," and you see the strong possibility that it may, in fact, never go on sale.

A smaller more niche market isn't always a bad thing, if that market is willing to buy.

So sure the market can be 1 million and you can sell 50 000 units, but that doesn't mean a market of only 100 000 won't buy the same 50 000 units.

If you don't want people to wait for the complete set then you have to do something to make the individual releases special i.e. Steelbook packaging.

 

[Admiral Bear]

Did any country other than Germany get the TNG season steelbooks? I know the UK didn't, and I've not seen them on sale in the US.

 

[GNDN]

Watching Chain of Command on blu-ray now.

Makes me remember watching it first-run, with all the rumors and promise of DS9 to come. That was a very exciting time to be a Trek fan. And frankly, all that anticipation for the second spin-off series payed off big time for me.

I'm still excited, and I'll hold out cautious hope that history will somewhat repeat itself at some point, and that DS9 will eventually be released on blu-ray as well.

Count me as one who definitely prefers owning the discs themselves, taking advantage of the best available picture and sound quality. I've refrained from watching later TNG eps until the blus arrive, and for the time being I will hold out from watching DS9.

I think I'll take the time to not only email CBS, but also write an honest-to-goodness letter, thanking them and the CBS Digital team for the exceptional job they've done with TNG and ask them respectfully to continue the remastering effort with DS9.

I'll remain optimistic, and I'll revel in the station scenes from Birthright when I get there.

TNG looks awesome in proper HD and I can only imagine how amazing DS9 would look as well.

 

[scotthm]

If you don't want people to wait for the complete set then you have to do something to make the individual releases special i.e. Steelbook packaging.

No you don't. You just have to offer what people want for a price they're comfortable paying.

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[Robert Comsol]

Here is an alternative to Steelbook packaging:

(The PAL 50Hz DVD releases of DS9 and VOY featured similar boxes)

I never understood why these beautiful field equipment boxes remained limited to PAL territories.

Bob