Even that is pretty thin. Basic outline for starships, everyone from a particular race all dress alike.
Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?
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Even that is pretty thin. Basic outline for starships, everyone from a particular race all dress alike.
What I'm trying to figure is what makes something not Star Trek, especially in current iteration.
I tend to think a spy show with an "end justify the means" outlook with a former space Hitler as the lead would put it outside the scope of Star Trek for me. Of course, YMMV.
I dont really understand comparing the Empress with Hitler.
I don't know if that's how the show going to go. I'll judge it then.
She killed a lot of people to maintain power. Maybe Stalin would be a better comparison?
She kind of strikes me like a Roman emperor, one of the more competent ones. Not necessarily a philosopher like Marcus Aurelius. She is willing to do a lot to maintain the Pax Terra, and an empire that does not expand, ultimately contracts. She'a haughty but not blindly so. Shes an Empress seemingly descended from a line of rulers that followed a code, though not one we'd recognize or agree with.
Hitler was an ignorant brat, amoral, with a limited world view who used easy answers, defenseless scapegoats, the divisions within his opposition, and a rebounding economy (that he wasn't responsible for) to forge a very brief powerful regime. That type seems to pop up more regularly than I'd like.
We watched her execute her inner circle, destroy the Rebel compound, eat sapient beings. We know she took part in the genocide of the Talosians.
I think people are trying to twist who she is to make the idea of the show more palatable.
We have to permanently agree to disagree about Georgiou's redeem-ability. Arguing about a subject like this for years on end is not going to be an enjoyable experience. At best. At worst, it's going to start slowly driving people away.
A little bit earlier, I started having thoughts of, "The Hell with this." If I started thinking it, other people probably did.
A little bit earlier, I started having thoughts of, "The Hell with this." If I started thinking it, other people probably did.
This. The appeal of a Section 31 show with Michelle Yeoh has much wider international appeal. A Pike show while might have a lot of talk among Trek fans is actually a limiting offering by comparison.
Personally I've had my fill of Pike. It was nice to see the character expanded. We know how he will end up in even greater detail now as well. Let him go and work on new characters and crews. Would a special here and there be nice? Yes but I don't want an ongoing series with the characters at this point. I want new offerings. I want Discovery to continue and to not have it's crew pushed into the background by bringing in new characters to command them.
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In an era of "there are good people on both sides", I'm not sure it sends a good message of having Space Stalin leading the intelligence arm of a supposed evolved Federation. YMMV.
See you later.
How thin skinned are you that you can't take anyone disagreeing with you? You've changed a lot.
I do not care for Section 31 at all. It was interesting on DS9, but after that... meh. Section 31 needs to remain mysterious not have a whole series about it.
I would love, love, love a Captain Pike show though!
I would love, love, love a Captain Pike show though!
That's "Star Wars".
The original ones. Despite the setting with the dystopian Empire, these were extremely uplifting and positive movies about personal and world-changing success.
"Star Trek" was always positivistic about the universe as a whole - world peace, end of hunger and disease - but could actually be extremely grim and realistic in the fates of individual characters - just look at Pike's accident or the various smaller tragedies Trek heroes went through.
Star Trek was never a fairy tale about individual success. But it always carried a message about how society as a whole can change into almost a paradise, if we just stop being assholes towards each other. That's why Star Wars had always more mainstream appeal, and why so many writers fail to capture the more abstract "Trek optimism".
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Terran salutes do kind of resemble Nazi salutes.
God, we've been a fucked up place for a really long time.
Oh wow.
That is the funniest thing I've seen all day.
*sigh* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
Seriously, the whole Terran Empire resembles more like a Hollywood interpretation of the Roman Empire than anything. They even have the same de facto method of succession to the imperial throne - have a big enough part of the military follow you and its yours. And of course, Georgiou's adoption of Burnham is also similar to the Roman emperors adopting their own heirs apparent. Not to mention the part about the need for continuous expansion to obtain more slave labor.
Seriously, the whole Terran Empire resembles more like a Hollywood interpretation of the Roman Empire than anything. They even have the same de facto method of succession to the imperial throne - have a big enough part of the military follow you and its yours. And of course, Georgiou's adoption of Burnham is also similar to the Roman emperors adopting their own heirs apparent. Not to mention the part about the need for continuous expansion to obtain more slave labor.
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