Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?

[Groppler Zorn]

I would go for a Pike show if it transpired that the Prime universe is not tied to the canon universe of TOS et al.

There are no stakes when we know Pike ends up in the chair.

If we *don’t* know for sure that Pike ends up in the chair because alternate quantum reality, then I’m all in.

 

[seigezunt]

Makes you wonder why they did not make her a star in Discovery and not kill off prime Georgiou.

Yeah. I really liked Prime Georgiou, and I would have loved a show with her,

 

[Soong-type Android]

There are no stakes when we know Pike ends up in the chair

Which would be the obvious problem with a Pike show besides it just being about milking nostalgia. Anytime he appears in danger we know he will be okay.

 

[Longinus]

Which would be the obvious problem with a Pike show besides it just being about milking nostalgia. Anytime he appears in danger we know he will be okay.

That's pretty safe bet with any lead character in this sort of a show. Or did you perhaps seriously expect Michael Burnham to die in any of those times she was in mortal danger on DIS?

 

[SJGardner]

There are no stakes when we know Pike ends up in the chair.

Anytime he appears in danger we know he will be okay.

Going by this, I'd say anything with Spock or the Enterprise would risk the same thing, the danger wouldn't necessarily have to center around Pike. We already know Spock and the Enterprise will survive into TOS, after all.

I still think though that a few special event-type shows with Pike and the Enterprise could work, especially if their plot doesn't involve either Pike or his ship getting in grave danger. The stakes could also be whether they could stop an event from happening, someone they're pursuing from getting away, etc. It might still feel like milking nostalgia for many, but I think there are definitely stories worth telling about the Enterprise that don't involve mortal danger.

To be honest, though, I usually have no problems enjoying a story even if I already know the characters will survive; I usually watch them with a mindset of "now how are they going to get out of this one?", eagerly waiting for the solution they'll come up with.

 

[Soong-type Android]

We already know Spock and the Enterprise will survive into TOS, after all.

I suppose we knew how Obi Wan Kenobi died and they still went ahead and made the prequels. The danger of a prequel particularly featuring established characters is that is spoils any suspense and tension.

 

[Longinus]

I suppose we knew how Obi Wan Kenobi died and they still went ahead and made the prequels. The danger of a prequel particularly featuring established characters is that is spoils any suspense and tension.

That was not the reason why those prequels were shit though.

 

[SJGardner]

I suppose we knew how Obi Wan Kenobi died and they still went ahead and made the prequels. The danger of a prequel particularly featuring established characters is that is spoils any suspense and tension.

For some, maybe. I understand a lot of people feel that way. For me, there was still tension and suspense in waiting to see how he'll get out of that bottomless pit. I've never needed a character's eventual fate to be totally uncertain in order to feel suspense in a story. I love DS9's Visionary despite knowing fully well the station won't eventually blow up in a random episode of the third season.

 

[XCV330]

im all for a pike miniseries or series of movies, while maintaining Yeoh's show. she shoudn't get bumped because Mount has been a stand out star. And she has far more worldwide name recognition and appeal. Also she's awesome.

 

[Longinus]

This is really not about Yeoh. She's great. It is just that the S31 and the Mirror Empress are just such cringe-worthy concepts. I mean, I absolutely adore Sir Patrick too, yet I had no desire to see him to play a poop in than emoji movie.

 

[jfordny]

I have no interest at all in a Section 31 show. Particularly when it will feature a Mirror Universe character, because I've always found the MU an incredibly goofy concept that should have stayed in one TOS episode.

I also have no objection to prequels. The fact that a character's ultimate fate is known doesn't mean interesting stories can't be told.

So this is an easy vote for me. Pike show and no Section 31.

 

[Mudd]

Well, there's a definite trend in the poll.

I voted for option 1 - but it's not going to happen.

 

[Mudd]

There are no stakes when we know Pike ends up in the chair.

Yeah, right.

I know that Soran dropped a bridge on Kirk, and I still rewatch TOS. Not to mention young Kirk in three nuTrek movies.

At least we know that something happens to Pike. What we were sure of back during TOS was that all "stakes" were ephemeral - the leads would be back at their stations the next week, for sure.

Same with most TV, really.

 

[donners22]

Combine them. Alternate between following them, and have occasional clashes between Pike's righteousness and S31's pragmatism when their briefs overlap.

 

[Lord Garth]

None of these poll options fit what I want. Let's go through them one-by-one...

"Yes, I want a Pike show, and do not want a Section 31 show." Untrue.
"No, I want a Section 31 show, and do not want a show with Pike." Untrue.
"I want a show that feature both Pike and crew on the Enterprise and Section 31 with Georgiou." Not only "no", but "Hell no".
"I trust CBS to give me something I will like!" Technically, I already like something CBS is giving me, namely Discovery; so that's present tense, not future tense. But I don't think that's what this option is getting at. Eventually, I expect CBSAA will give me a Star Trek series I'm not interested in. There are already some series on their slate, like Lower Decks, that I don't care about. The jury is still out on the Picard Series.

The option I'm for that's apparently not one of them at all: I'd like a Pike Series and a Section 31 Series, but not as part of the same show.

 

[Kzinti]

while i do want a pike show i don't want it to be at the expense of a section 31 show

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Which would be the obvious problem with a Pike show besides it just being about milking nostalgia. Anytime he appears in danger we know he will be okay.

This is why I suggest separating the two timelines - Pike (and crew) can legitimately be in danger then

To be honest, though, I usually have no problems enjoying a story even if I already know the characters will survive; I usually watch them with a mindset of "now how are they going to get out of this one?", eagerly waiting for the solution they'll come up with.

Fair point. I suppose I’m thinking that when we know they’ve *got* to get out of a problem because we know they all survive you’re waiting for the resolution to present itself.

I know that Soran dropped a bridge on Kirk, and I still rewatch TOS. Not to mention young Kirk in three nuTrek movies.

I see what you’re saying. But in a post-GoT TV world, isn’t that approach a little, shall we say, traditional? Plus, nuKirk may never encounter Soran - because it’s in an alternate timeline. NuKirk may die yet because he’s not tied to TOS

 

[SJGardner]

while i do want a pike show i don't want it to be at the expense of a section 31 show

That's how I feel too, actually. I'd love it if we got both, but the Section 31 show would be able to tell stories a Pike series wouldn't. And the more I hear about it, the more I'm intrigued by the chance to see some stories that take us to the Alpha Quadrant's seedy underbelly.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Which would be the obvious problem with a Pike show besides it just being about milking nostalgia. Anytime he appears in danger we know he will be okay.

They teased his known destiny and possible resultant immortality in the final episode (i.e. if Pike remained and the Admiral left, the bomb would end up a dud because Pike HAS to live to end up in the chair as per the time crystal vision). If they did a Pike series that's what I'd like the main arc of the show to be. Something where probability is broken surrounding Pike because of a fixed point 10 years ahead in his timeline.

 

[Mudd]

I see what you’re saying. But in a post-GoT TV world, isn’t that approach a little, shall we say, traditional?

Who cares? Most TV is. There's not a thing innovative about STD.

Plus, nuKirk may never encounter Soran - because it’s in an alternate timeline. NuKirk may die yet because he’s not tied to TOS.

Those movies made an awful lot of money. You think anyone goes to see them because they think the characters might die different someday?