Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?
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I totally agree with this point. My Discoskepticism is no secret
but they could at least try at innovation by decoupling the characters from the anchor of canon I think True. But the JJ films did deliberately go into a different timeline precisely so that they weren’t bound to canon. Personally I’d love a Pike show where they do actually kill him off (maybe they do a timeline reset at the end or something) but just let the writers take a risk and surprise us all is what I think I’m trying to say - and going into their own quantum reality would allow them to do that (and it fixes some other visual related issues too...!)
I would imagine that is option 3: "I want a show that feature both Pike and crew on the Enterprise and Section 31 with Georgiou.", just is badly worded.
Who me? stack the deck? never
But seriously, I had forgot to add that option, I just added it now.
Changed my vote to the new option, as it reflects my preferences/wishes much more closely. I find both ideas interesting but I don't want them to take away time from each other. I think a combined show would limit the available storylines to where the Enterprise's and Section 31's missions intersect and that would risk cheapening both. If we want to see both of them, let each tell their own stories.Who me? stack the deck? never
When push comes to shove, we've already had three series about the Enterprise with a White Male Captain. How many series have we had about Section 31 or with an Asian Woman as the lead? None.
Say what you want about the Section 31 Series, love it or hate it, no one can say it's like any Star Trek series done before.
Then the third season should be more to your liking.
Say what you want about the Section 31 Series, love it or hate it, no one can say it's like any Star Trek series done before.
I totally agree with this point. My Discoskepticism is no secret
Then the third season should be more to your liking.
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Like anything else in life, it will come down to the execution.
Will it actually be "Star Trek" though? You can only move away from the core so far before you're simply using the name to sell something that has nothing to do with Star Trek.
I will admit, I'm not extremely enthused about the Sec31 show, Yeoh or not. But I might end up liking it.
but I think it's a good idea for star trek in general because it seems like average tv watchers love their intel and police procedural shows. They tend to bore the hell out of me, so I just have come to realize I am an outlier. But it might draw more viewers to the brand and keep most of the political and cloak in dagger Trek writing consigned to one show. Win-win.
I don't think any of that comes at the expense of having a Pike show. But I also don't think Mount wants to spend 8 months of the year away from home in Toronto. He's made that pretty clear, even in Hollywood where actors are trained by their publicists the art of saying things without really saying things. And honestly. I do have a worry that too much of a good thing could dilute how good his and Peck's performances have been.
What if, to the horror of those who have held up Mount as their messiah while still disliking the Disco cast, it turns out he was best juxtaposed with the Discovery actors and frantically paced Disco plot pacing, and a Pike-TOS series is a colossal bore? That's why I continue to want a Pike miniseries or a shift to Pike cinematic movies.
but I think it's a good idea for star trek in general because it seems like average tv watchers love their intel and police procedural shows. They tend to bore the hell out of me, so I just have come to realize I am an outlier. But it might draw more viewers to the brand and keep most of the political and cloak in dagger Trek writing consigned to one show. Win-win.
I don't think any of that comes at the expense of having a Pike show. But I also don't think Mount wants to spend 8 months of the year away from home in Toronto. He's made that pretty clear, even in Hollywood where actors are trained by their publicists the art of saying things without really saying things. And honestly. I do have a worry that too much of a good thing could dilute how good his and Peck's performances have been.
What if, to the horror of those who have held up Mount as their messiah while still disliking the Disco cast, it turns out he was best juxtaposed with the Discovery actors and frantically paced Disco plot pacing, and a Pike-TOS series is a colossal bore? That's why I continue to want a Pike miniseries or a shift to Pike cinematic movies.
There are a lot of things that have not been done before, many of them for a good reason.
Yep. I do not watch Star Trek for stories about amoral 'ends justify means' assholes.
So, when it comes to the test, people complaining about the "same old, same old" actually really do just want the "same old, same old". Captain of the Enterprise, Warp 9. "We just want good stories." No. I'm not buying it. You all just want the same stories.
Yes, I do want that! I have never complained about 'same old.' A ship, a crew with compelling characters, encounters mysteries and deals with problems. That is Star Trek, that is what I want, just do it well.
Personally, I've always thought of Star Trek more as a vast setting that allows for really diverse stories than as a story template that has to meet very specific themes of utopianism, tight-knit crews, exploration of the unknown, aliens standing in for current human social problems and so on. I love the world-building aspect just as much as whether an installment is true to a perceived spirit of Trek or not, which I think is a personal matter anyway. We never had a Star Trek spy series before, and I like the idea specifically because I'm intrigued by how it would look like in the Star Trek setting. I'd just as much love to see something resembling the Age of Sail on the freshly colonized frontier with colonies, (Orion) space pirates and smugglers, Starships acting as naval cruisers, charter companies with monopolies and all the swashbuckling adventure it would bring. It would be just as wildly different from the Star Trek series template as the S31 show would be, and I would still see it as Star Trek because it's a part of the same universe. As long as the stories and the characters are good, I'd enjoy it and I'd be glad for the setting being fleshed out even more.
Yeah, this is where the divide is. To me these things are what make it Star Trek more than the setting itself.
Shrug. We knew that there was zero chance Kirk and Spock were going to die in any episode of TOS at the time, and the show was still exciting.
Replace utopianism with optimism and I'm on board.
Though, tight knit crew is not a requirement for me.
Yes. This is my stance. I'm for optimism not utopia. "You want optimism? This from the guy who's pushing for Section 31?," some might be wondering. Yes, you read that right. Section 31 is just a spin-off of a spin-off. It's not the main, flagship Star Trek series. It's never going to be. As such, it's free to be something else. It's free to deviate from the norm. The Georgiou Series won't be the main Star Trek series any more than Rogue One or Solo were main Star Wars movies. They're off-shoots from the main line. Just like Section 31 will be.
Bingo.
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