Doug Jones almost-confirms Starfleet Academy is set in the same era as Discovery

[evilchumlee]

Yes... but he's also a "cadet", in fact not even a cadet because the series ends before his eighteenth birthday and most Starfleet cadets are over eighteen (although the minimum age appears to be about fifteen or sixteen for humans, other races may have equivalent values based on varying lifespans and maturation rates [an Ocampan for instance would likely be admitted at 1 or 2]).

Age wasn't the point there.

I was pointing out that Superman, Buffy, Harry Potter all have a sort of predetermined destiny and are the only people who could resolve the problem, due to supernatural circumstances.

That doesn't make any sense in the context of Star Trek.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Age wasn't the point there.

I was pointing out that Superman, Buffy, Harry Potter all have a sort of predetermined destiny and are the only people who could resolve the problem, due to supernatural circumstances.

That doesn't make any sense in the context of Star Trek.

No, the point was a bunch of kids are the central characters who help save the world from all sorts of evil plots.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Sure it does, you just have to write the circumstance in such a way that it makes sense that the cadets are best placed/only people that solve the problem of the day.

For example, the two-part Line of Fire andSurvival (SA TNG #3) has rival groups of Starfleet and Klingon cadets marooned alone on a colony that was the site of conference they were observing was wiped out/captured by Brikar raiders and they have to survive until rescued by Starfleet (to your point, the conflict with the Brikar is resolved by Starfleet off-screen not the cadets themselves because they wasn't "their adventure".

Similarly, Capture the Flag follows Geordi LaForge leading a team in various examples of the titular exercise on various planets.

Loyalties teams up Beverly Howard and Data in an attempt to prove that her roommate deliberately injured a classmate during a simulation when the academic board doesn't believe them.

 

[F. King Daniel]

You know they're scrolling this thread for plot ideas

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Pretty sure they're already aware of storylines they've done before, there have been dozens.

 

[evilchumlee]

No, the point was a bunch of kids are the central characters who help save the world from all sorts of evil plots.

All of the examples given have been kids as central characters... with extraordinary, supernatural abilities that force them to be the only possible people to be able to deal with the problem. Random Hogwarts student couldn't defeat Voldermort,, Harry Potter could. Random guy can't defeat Darkseid, Superman can... what scenarios could only Starfleet trainees resolve that actual Starfleet officers can not?

We could do that, I suppose. But we already did that in Trek with Sisko...

Alot of the proposed ideas here are either just, not interesting or take a huge leap of logic to make any sense.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

what scenarios could only Starfleet trainees resolve that actual Starfleet officers can not?

Did you actually bother to read my last response where I outlined several examples of relatively personal stakes that have been successfully used in the past? There's enough material to parallel for at least a season if not two just in the 1990s novel series, never mind the other novels or the two dozen or so comics.

 

[Nerys Myk]

All of the examples given have been kids as central characters... with extraordinary, supernatural abilities that force them to be the only possible people to be able to deal with the problem. Random Hogwarts student couldn't defeat Voldermort,, Harry Potter could. Random guy can't defeat Darkseid, Superman can... what scenarios could only Starfleet trainees resolve that actual Starfleet officers can not?

We could do that, I suppose. But we already did that in Trek with Sisko...

Alot of the proposed ideas here are either just, not interesting or take a huge leap of logic to make any sense.

A witch among witches is not extraordinary.
Gee, the main character of a series turns out to be the hero, Shocking. The next thing you'll tell me is Kirk, Spock and McCoy aren't the heroes of TOS, that they aren't on the "only ship in the quadrant" or uniquely qualified to handle situation X because of factor Y. The main characters in these types of entertainment are rarely "random guys". The cadets won't be "random guys". They will be in situations where they and not "Starfleet officer" will have to solve a problem. It's how fiction has worked ever since we started telling stories around a campfire.

 

[F. King Daniel]

what scenarios could only Starfleet trainees resolve that actual Starfleet officers can not?

Did you watch Star Trek 2009?

 

[fireproof78]

Alot of the proposed ideas here are either just, not interesting or take a huge leap of logic to make any sense.

In science fiction? Crazy.

There are plenty of literary examples, as well as real world examples of young officers having to step up. It us possible and will likely be more interesting once it's acted out rather than speculated upon in the abstract.

 

[evilchumlee]

They will be in situations where they and not "Starfleet officer" will have to solve a problem. It's how fiction has worked ever since we started telling stories around a campfire.

I get that, but that only works once or twice... it's not really something to build a series off of.

Did you actually bother to read my last response where I outlined several examples of relatively personal stakes that have been successfully used in the past? There's enough material to parallel for at least a season if not two just in the 1990s novel series, never mind the other novels or the two dozen or so comics.

I made a note that they took a leap or logic, or were just not interesting. That second part is most relevant.

Did you watch Star Trek 2009?

Works totally fine as a movie... now do Star Trek 09 10-11 times... (and also... we already did this, in Star Trek '09)

 

[fireproof78]

Works totally fine as a movie... now do Star Trek 09 10-11 times...

Ok. Thank you.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I get that, but that only works once or twice... it's not really something to build a series off of.

Sure it is. They've been doing it for centuries,

 

[Noname Given]

I disagree actually. The 32nd century gives them a broader canvas and more freedom in many respects. There are less constrained by the “rules” of what can and can’t happen and what must fit in with the current established status quo. That may encourage more creative storytelling. Or a guy can but hope.

Too far in the future for my tastes, and they just have a lot of 'magic' pop up tech but the phasers* still can't defend them from creatures most of the time.

* - And why STILL Phasers after 930 years?

 

[fireproof78]

Why still firearms after initial development of such weapons over a 1000 years ago?

 

[ED-209]

Call me crazy (and maybe I'm wrong) but isn't the 32nd century incredibly unpopular?? I know no one that actually likes it. Why base another series there?? Put it after Picard surely??

 

[fireproof78]

Call me crazy (and maybe I'm wrong) but isn't the 32nd century incredibly unpopular?? I know no one that actually likes it. Why base another series there?? Put it after Picard surely??

Cheaper.

 

[ED-209]

Well yes but you're setting on the path to failure before it even starts.

 

[fireproof78]

Well yes but you're setting on the path to failure before it even starts.

Well, no.

The setting is only one part. Predicting failure is absurd at this point.

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

Call me crazy (and maybe I'm wrong) but isn't the 32nd century incredibly unpopular?? I know no one that actually likes it. Why base another series there?? Put it after Picard surely??

I like it. The ships (especially the vertical ones) look really cool, and I like the idea that the Federation is recovering from a disaster.