Tuvok having a piss-poor memory is far more plausible and has worked for the past twenty-seven years.
Spoilers Does moving the Eugenics Wars into the 21st century fundamentally change things?
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Did it? We know the "supermen" took over 40 countries. We don't know which countries. We know Khan managed to expand his control to an area covering Asia thru Middle East. We know Archer's Grandfather fought in North Africa during the wars. Presumably there were at least 40 factions among the Augments at the start. I think that's about it.
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(You know, I've still never seen that episode of Voyager.)
Even if Voyager might have depicted "the home front" while there was a global conflict going on elsewhere, WE certainly have no memories of such things. Or... Well, I don't. I can't speak for everyone.
There are people (not me) who have the whole TOS timeline and it's variations committed to memory. But Space Seed flat out states that WWIII and The Eugenics Wars are synonymous, But there are other episodes that make them distinct. And Encounter at Farpoint (Roddenberry) makes WWIII later without mentioning the EW and First Contact (film) also moves it mid 21st century.
Now SNW is making them the same thing / closely related. Again.
OTOH rather than kicking the can down the road another 30 years, they're setting up the chronology to be right on our temporal doorstep!
Did (the episode named after a quote from The Scottish Play) give a time when it was set?
Even if Voyager might have depicted "the home front" while there was a global conflict going on elsewhere, WE certainly have no memories of such things. Or... Well, I don't. I can't speak for everyone.
There are people (not me) who have the whole TOS timeline and it's variations committed to memory. But Space Seed flat out states that WWIII and The Eugenics Wars are synonymous, But there are other episodes that make them distinct. And Encounter at Farpoint (Roddenberry) makes WWIII later without mentioning the EW and First Contact (film) also moves it mid 21st century.
Now SNW is making them the same thing / closely related. Again.
OTOH rather than kicking the can down the road another 30 years, they're setting up the chronology to be right on our temporal doorstep!
Did (the episode named after a quote from The Scottish Play) give a time when it was set?
No, but if Khan ages normally, it would be in about 25-30 years or so, which fits in with everything from TNG on, i.e. taking place in the middle of the 21st century.
Perhaps not, but there is the big problem that when Voyager was sighted by the backyard barbecue guy, Neelix observed that civilian media dismissed the footage as a hoax while the U.S. military was only 'taking things a bit more seriously'. If an active war was raging for the USA, I would think the sighting of a strange craft would cause a lot of panic.
Regards to the story in question, you might be conflating the fact it was made in the 1960s with the impression it is set in the 1960s. It isn't. The Daleks invade Earth in the 22nd Century.
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Didn't TNG: "Parallels" do that decades ago?
As someone mentioned, Spock said the Eugenics Wars were the last of Earth's world wars, and "Farpoint"/FC ignored the EW altogether. It wasn't until DS9 and ENT that the EW were mentioned again, but DS9 mistakenly put them "200 years ago" (i.e. the 2170s) and ENT implied a mid-21st century time frame for them.
Of course. Science fiction has never, ever been about predicting the correct facts of history. SF writers are not delusional enough to imagine we have prophetic gifts. Our goal is to offer conjectures of conceivable futures in hopes of getting people to imagine the future they want to see and maybe work toward it, or at least to work away from the bad possibilities that cautionary tales warn about.
As I've been saying all along, it's taking "Trek is our future" way too literally to think it's about the actual events happening. Of course they aren't going to happen. Of course there aren't humanoid aliens with psychic powers out there, or godlike Great Gazoos who can alter reality by snapping their fingers. It's all metaphorical. The goal is to be a metaphor for the kind of future we could have.
Yeah, that episode gives you a ready made explanation for all of its inconsistencies (And there are several: Rand being a commander, getting the elapsed time of TUC wrong, Valtine dying at the end when he's clearly seen at the end of TUC): Tuvok has a mind virus that is screwing up his memory. Therefore, practically nothing we see in the mind meld flashback of "Flashback" is "real."
You're honestly not missing much. It dropped the ball in several ways.
There is a Trek novel about this, under the Myriad universe series
Well, there was the Shoreditch Incident.
Curious.
Why? All fiction is metaphorical.
That was an incursion. Not an invasion. ;-)
You'd be better saying Journey's End from RTD Series 4.
Wrong decade. But you know. Wibbly Wobbly.
If the Eugenics Wars got pushed forward 30 years, then maybe the events of of DIS were also pushed 30 years into the future?
In the universe of the 1990s Eugenics Wars...
- Maybe Burnham's dad was killed in 2216, a few years before hostilities between the Federation and Klingon Empire broke out.
- Maybe Burnham is Sarek’s adoptive sibling instead of Spock
- Maybe the discovery of the Sarcophagus ship and the Battle at the Binary Stars were supposed to happen in 2226-27, instead of 2256-57.
- Maybe when DIS jumped to the future, the were supposed to be in 3158-59, instead of 3188-89. Maybe that would explain “Calypso”.
The USA were involved in the Eugenics Wars?
TOS made it seem like Khan's territory was overseas in other continents.
Also it was 1996. Things had wrapped up that year with the conflict.
Yup. And we've had overseas conflicts happening in the world during our lifetime. Did they really impact the day to day lives of Americans over here? Not drastically.
Though we definitely saw some American anti-Government types within the episode, planning for the near apocalypse and having a fallout shelter with tons of guns.
It's a good thing the war was so nice and neat and didn't bomb out entire populations or elsewise have a negative impact upon world politics.
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