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Doctor Who – 4x13 – Journey’s End (Grade/Discuss)
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Too bad the majority of us here (including me) disagree - with respect to all other opinions, of course.
Hey, that's a good point. I never thought of that.
However, maybe in some parallel universes the Daleks have indeed become the dominant lifeforms - and they're content to stay in their own universes or haven't thought up of a reality bomb yet.
http://stuffontv.blogspot.com/2008/04/steampunk-cybermen.html
Sorry one part isn't mentioned but there are two versions of the race which probably mean there are two alternate universe versions.
Love the german speaking Daleks (with an english accent ).
Actually they use "eliminieren" (eliminate ), not "vertilgen" which has a conotation of eating.
Sections translated from german in italics.
Woman: Nobody's here. What do you want. Go away! Leave me alone.
Martha: My name is Martha Jones, i'm from UNIT, agent 56671 from the medical department.
Woman: It was said, that you would come. Your accent, that is London, yes? I went to London, a long time ago.
Martha: Thought this place was supposed to be guarded.
Woman: There were soldiers, boys - i brought them food, every day, but when the nightmare came, they went home - to die. But not you.
Martha: I have a job to do.
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Woman: London, those days to see it...so much glamour...so young. I heard the soldiers talking, many times. They would speak of the Osterhagen key.
I think London must be changed now, yes? (...) The Glamour.
You will not go!
Martha: I've got no choice.
Woman: I know the key (...) You are the nightmare, not the others - you. I should kill you! Right here, right now.
Martha: Then do it.
Woman: Martha, to hell with you!
Martha: I know.
).Actually they use "eliminieren" (eliminate
), not "vertilgen" which has a conotation of eating.Sections translated from german in italics.
Woman: Nobody's here. What do you want. Go away! Leave me alone.
Martha: My name is Martha Jones, i'm from UNIT, agent 56671 from the medical department.
Woman: It was said, that you would come. Your accent, that is London, yes? I went to London, a long time ago.
Martha: Thought this place was supposed to be guarded.
Woman: There were soldiers, boys - i brought them food, every day, but when the nightmare came, they went home - to die. But not you.
Martha: I have a job to do.
****
Woman: London, those days to see it...so much glamour...so young. I heard the soldiers talking, many times. They would speak of the Osterhagen key.
I think London must be changed now, yes? (...) The Glamour.
You will not go!
Martha: I've got no choice.
Woman: I know the key (...) You are the nightmare, not the others - you. I should kill you! Right here, right now.
Martha: Then do it.
Woman: Martha, to hell with you!
Martha: I know.
Love the german speaking Daleks (with an english accent
Actually they use "eliminieren" (eliminate
Sections translated from german in italics.
Woman: Nobody's here. What do you want. Go away! Leave me alone.
Martha: My name is Martha Jones, i'm from UNIT, agent 56671 from the medical department.
Woman: It was said, that you would come. Your accent, that is London, yes? I went to London, a long time ago.
Martha: Thought this place was supposed to be guarded.
Woman: There were soldiers, boys - i brought them food, every day, but when the nightmare came, they went home - to die. But not you.
Martha: I have a job to do.
****
Woman: London, those days to see it...so much glamour...so young. I heard the soldiers talking, many times. They would speak of the Osterhagen key.
I think London must be changed now, yes? (...) The Glamour.
You will not go!
Martha: I've got no choice.
Woman: I know the key (...) You are the nightmare, not the others - you. I should kill you! Right here, right now.
Martha: Then do it.
Woman: Martha, to hell with you!
Martha: I know.
I was curious about just what they were saying, thanks for that!
Re: Doctor Who – 4x13 – Journey’s End (Grade/Discuss)
Yeah, me too, especially considering the quite good response to The Stolen Earth. I myself had the opposite reaction, go figure.
I'm not so sure this is objectively a good episode but I had a really good time watching it such that I didn't see the cracks in the facade. The fanwanking worked for me this time. Though Donna's fate really ate at me. Not sure how it will all hold up to rewatching.
Yeah, me too, especially considering the quite good response to The Stolen Earth. I myself had the opposite reaction, go figure.
I'm not so sure this is objectively a good episode but I had a really good time watching it such that I didn't see the cracks in the facade. The fanwanking worked for me this time. Though Donna's fate really ate at me. Not sure how it will all hold up to rewatching.
Re: Doctor Who – 4x13 – Journey’s End (Grade/Discuss)
"Average" here.
I could nitpick the hell out of the alleged plot, and especially the puke-inducing utter crapfest at Bad Wolf Bay (my GODS that was just badly written horribly shallow shipperfic so over the top I've got a nosebleed just thinking about it), but many have already posted my problems with the finale. A whole lot of buildup for an episode that was virtually all style and zero substance. Don't try to examine the plot too much, it'll fall apart like dried leaves. Yeah, there were some good scenes, but "Turn Left" is still proving to be my favorite of the three here. It actually managed to tell a good story in the process instead of being a limp piece of badfic. Don't get me wrong, there were nice moments, but nice moments do not a coherent plot make. And this one was about as incoherent as an alcoholic on a meth bender.
And 10 demerits for unnecessary use of Davros. Fanwank of the worst order. So many better potential genetic donors for the new Dalek race. So many far more interesting choices, but no, we're stuck with a pitiful return of Davros. Yawn. I mean, if we're going to have an imprisoned character who's the pawn of Dalek Caan's plan, what if that character had been, say, Jenny. Imagine Daleks derived from Timelord genetic material. Now THAT would be an "oh, shit" moment. Instead, we've got the same old Daleks, back again, dying again. They really are the Kenny of the Whoniverse now.
"Oh, my God, you killed the Daleks! You bastard!"
Not. Impressed. Looking forward to Moffatt's tenure in that "it can't possibly go any further into bad fanfic territory" way.
"Average" here.
I could nitpick the hell out of the alleged plot, and especially the puke-inducing utter crapfest at Bad Wolf Bay (my GODS that was just badly written horribly shallow shipperfic so over the top I've got a nosebleed just thinking about it), but many have already posted my problems with the finale. A whole lot of buildup for an episode that was virtually all style and zero substance. Don't try to examine the plot too much, it'll fall apart like dried leaves. Yeah, there were some good scenes, but "Turn Left" is still proving to be my favorite of the three here. It actually managed to tell a good story in the process instead of being a limp piece of badfic. Don't get me wrong, there were nice moments, but nice moments do not a coherent plot make. And this one was about as incoherent as an alcoholic on a meth bender.
And 10 demerits for unnecessary use of Davros. Fanwank of the worst order. So many better potential genetic donors for the new Dalek race. So many far more interesting choices, but no, we're stuck with a pitiful return of Davros. Yawn. I mean, if we're going to have an imprisoned character who's the pawn of Dalek Caan's plan, what if that character had been, say, Jenny. Imagine Daleks derived from Timelord genetic material. Now THAT would be an "oh, shit" moment. Instead, we've got the same old Daleks, back again, dying again. They really are the Kenny of the Whoniverse now.
"Oh, my God, you killed the Daleks! You bastard!"
Not. Impressed. Looking forward to Moffatt's tenure in that "it can't possibly go any further into bad fanfic territory" way.
leave it to Jack to get the man the pump action feature of the Tardis 
All companions piloting the Tardis equals total win
All companions piloting the Tardis equals total winCould had been better I think but it really wasn't that bad. Although I was secretly thinking that at the very end, after that Christmas Special teaser, they should had shown the Tardis flying through space and a resounding booming voice came on and said,
"I STILL AIN'T BOVVERED"
and the Doctor goes "Wot?"
"I STILL AIN'T BOVVERED"
and the Doctor goes "Wot?"
What would have really pulled at my heart strings is when the doctor is all alone at the end and he visualizes all the companions laughing and we go around one by one.
Oh amen to that. I think a lot of the poeple over there are just completely devoid of a sense of humor or fun.
Still, I get some reassurance from looking at the forum poll. Something like 70% of the votes are a 4 or above. I guess critics are just more inclined to spend time ranting than fans.
Yeah I had a few gripes about the episode, but they were relatively minor. Hell even the slightly silly scene of the Tardis towing the Earth was saved by some amazing music and the pure emotion of the scene. I grew up on Tom Baker, I'm used to certain level of goofiness with my drama. Its part of the shows charm.
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What about the humans who were vaporized as well as a bunch of unit soldiers who were exterminated?
The old Doctor who stuff was far more over the top than this stuff so I don't see the problem. It amazes me that fans say some stuff is stupid (towing Earth in this case) but they have no problem with a Time Lord who can regenerate who flies in a police box fighting enemies such as Daleks who are basically the campiest sounded enemies ever with a plunger attached to them and before 2005, they could be defeated by going up stairs
in the end Doctor Who is silly fun and thats why we love it
in the end Doctor Who is silly fun and thats why we love it
The old Doctor who stuff was far more over the top than this stuff so I don't see the problem. It amazes me that fans say some stuff is stupid (towing Earth in this case) but they have no problem with a Time Lord who can regenerate who flies in a police box fighting enemies such as Daleks who are basically the campiest sounded enemies ever with a plunger attached to them and before 2005, they could be defeated by going up stairs
in the end Doctor Who is silly fun and thats why we love it
exactly, even way back in the beginning with the first doctor they've had planets that are mobile, for example the cyberman flying Mondas to Earth, then they've had other races try to install engines at the center of the planet to fly it somewhere.... we know the Timelords have mastered black holes, space, and time, so moving a planet with the TARDIS should be easy for them, it is fantastical, and awesome, Doctor Who thinks much bigger than Trek ever did, and I like that
I could easily see the doctor saying something like "I used to move planets out of the garage when I was a kid this is easy!"