Doctor Who – 4x06 – The Doctor’s Daughter (Grade/Discuss)

[Cutter John]

Have you not heard some of our accents? A lot of them turn th in to ff, besides for the Gelth people could have been thinking about the Gelf from Red Dwarf.

Darn beat me to it. With all the Welsh,Scottish, Irish, Cockney, etc, accents running around, its amazing they can understand each other!
I'm actually surprised that regional accents have survived this long. Over here accents have started to dissapear in the last generation or so, what with people moving about the country so much. I'm guessing in the UK there aren't as many cross-country relocations going on?

Oh, it burnt.

Reversing that would be horrid.

This.

Sorry, but as much time as the Doctors spent beatign himself up these past 4 years, having the TimeLords suddenly pop up out of nowhere would be about the lamest takeback ever.

That was not only the worst episode this season, but one of the worst of all times. It was poor in every regards, to the point I simply found my thoughts wandering during the episode. Acting=Weak. Direction=Weak. Plot=What? Tennant phoned in every cliched emotional moment, running through face gurnings and eye swellings like a rolodex. What a suckass episode. Here's to Agatha Christie...

So you didn't like it then?

 

[Harry Palmer]

That was not only the worst episode this season, but one of the worst of all times. It was poor in every regards, to the point I simply found my thoughts wandering during the episode. Acting=Weak. Direction=Weak. Plot=What? Tennant phoned in every cliched emotional moment, running through face gurnings and eye swellings like a rolodex. What a suckass episode. Here's to Agatha Christie...

So you didn't like it then?

I think he's on the fence.

 

[Captain Pike]

I prefer the Timelords un-destroyed as well. Here's hoping big Russ or his successor fixes the problem..

 

[Harry Palmer]

Making the Doctor a sad lonely character was one of the worst decisions made in the new series. That and the introduction of other 'soap opera' elements. If Rose can make come back then by science so can Romana and the Time Lords or *shudder* Adric.

 

[Skywalker]

Heck, I haven't seen any Classic Who, and even I think getting rid of all the Time Lords and leaving the Doctor by himself was a bad idea.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Have you not heard some of our accents? A lot of them turn th in to ff, besides for the Gelth people could have been thinking about the Gelf from Red Dwarf.

Darn beat me to it. With all the Welsh,Scottish, Irish, Cockney, etc, accents running around, its amazing they can understand each other!
I'm actually surprised that regional accents have survived this long. Over here accents have started to dissapear in the last generation or so, what with people moving about the country so much. I'm guessing in the UK there aren't as many cross-country relocations going on?

I'm not sure about that, but a most of the people I know who've moved areas tend to pick up the new accent within a year or two.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oh, it burnt.

Did you see it burn?

Reversing that would be horrid.

How can you reverse what never happened?

Well the Doctor told the Master who sid he looked for gallifrey but it wasn't there... But you know that and you don't believe it because the timelords do end up eventually moving earth so the technology is not outside the realm of their experience. Did they just ditch the Doctor because he's a troble magnet like that colony ship from Hitchhikers guide? I suppose also that Atlantis spent a long enough while persisting that the city of the ancients had been destroyed at the end of one of the earlier season's.

It's possible that whatever weapons were used on the Dalek from the first season were similar enough to what fracked the Daleks and Galifrey, considering that "it" burnt for a week or few after it crashed in the 20th century.

 

[Bishbot]

Have you not heard some of our accents? A lot of them turn th in to ff, besides for the Gelth people could have been thinking about the Gelf from Red Dwarf.

Darn beat me to it. With all the Welsh,Scottish, Irish, Cockney, etc, accents running around, its amazing they can understand each other!
I'm actually surprised that regional accents have survived this long. Over here accents have started to dissapear in the last generation or so, what with people moving about the country so much. I'm guessing in the UK there aren't as many cross-country relocations going on?

I'm not sure about that, but a most of the people I know who've moved areas tend to pick up the new accent within a year or two.

Its true, there are a lot of British accents that would turn "Hath" in "Haff" but I'm surprised anyone got that wrong, simply because Tennant's chosen accent for The Doctor pronounces the th part of the word very deliberately.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Did anyone think he said Halve?

 

[Starkers]

I think getting rid of the Timelords was a good move personally- come on, did people want another Trial of a Timelord?

Bringing Gallifrey back would be lamer even than bringing Rose back (although I am waiting to be proved wrong on that)

 

[Crewman47]

Has anyone else looked into what year this episode might take place in? I found that the Byzantine Calendar did used to actually exist and it looks like there could be a formula for converting to Gregorian, a difference of 5508 between Gregorian year and Byzantine years eg the year 2000 would be 7508 BE from it's Wikipedia article here. I was wondering if the date given in the episode, 60120724 could be easily converted or not if people knew what each part of the date meant. We know Donna worked out that last 6 numbers were given as Year, Month and date but we don't know what the year would be as it's only in two digits and then there's the first two numbers, 60, which I reckon could be the century which would place the episode sometime in the years following 6000 AD, I could be wrong though.

Any ideas? Sorry if this is too much of a geek question but I'm bored just now at work and started looking into it myself.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

If Rose can make come back then by science so can Romana and the Time Lords.

You nailed it right there, pure and simple.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Has anyone else looked into what year this episode might take place in? I found that the Byzantine Calendar did used to actually exist and it looks like there could be a formula for converting to Gregorian, a difference of 5508 between Gregorian year and Byzantine years eg the year 2000 would be 7508 BE from it's Wikipedia article here. I was wondering if the date given in the episode, 60120724 could be easily converted or not if people knew what each part of the date meant. We know Donna worked out that last 6 numbers were given as Year, Month and date but we don't know what the year would be as it's only in two digits and then there's the first two numbers, 60, which I reckon could be the century which would place the episode sometime in the years following 6000 AD, I could be wrong though.

Any ideas? Sorry if this is too much of a geek question but I'm bored just now at work and started looking into it myself.

He said the New Byzantine calendar though, that doesn't necessarily mean it actually has any connection to the old one.

 

[Crewman47]

I knew that, but it still could follow the same formula as the old one.

 

[Harry Palmer]

If Rose can make come back then by science so can Romana and the Time Lords.

You nailed it right there, pure and simple.

I notice you left off the Adric part.

 

[DS9Continuing]

It seemed to be more along the lines of the Doctor re-growing his hand provided it was within 20 hours of the new regeneration. She was quite new, so her body probably just repaired/regrew the damaged bits and she was right as rain.

Exactly, which was the whole reason they set that up at the beginning. Although I also wondered if there was a slight reference to the way that Seven got shot in the heart, and there was a long delay before regenerating into Eight.

Which, in a way, offers a non-ring-related ray of hope for the Master, who if I recall, was also shot in the heart. But then, he wasn't just after regeneration.

Also, the Hand continues its role as a Time Lord Detector, confirming our suspicions from "Utopia." The Doctor thought the Tardis was running away from Jack, but I think it was more likely it was running to the Master.

I have to admit RTD's religious connotations for the Doctor were a bit thick in this one as the the one bringing life to a planet. Bringing peace and in the process having a part of him in the form of a child die so that the Doctor could show mercy. Then having the child rise from the dead...

Yeah, that's the part that's getting too heavy for me. After "Last of the Time Lords" and "Voyage of the Damned," it's getting a bit overkill.

But it does follow the theme of the Doctor being worshipped as a God, like in "The Fires of Pompeii." He basically told these people to build their entire society around him and his ethics, so he becomes their Jesus figure again. Plus, Messaline = Messiah.

I always thought a timelord was given regenerations, that they werent biological abilities.

That's never been pinned down one way or another. Yes, "The Five Doctors" and "The Sound of Drums" state outright that Time Lords can bestow a new set of regenerations on someone, but it's never states how they might do that, or if that's the default way of doing it. They might be born with them first, but then get more added later.

As for the communications, I just figured they were one-way telepaths, and Martha just never stopped long enough to realize it.

No, i just thought the Tardis was translating for her as usual and we didn't get to hear it, that's all.

Like Rose (and unlike Martha, who was always planning to finish school and resume her life), Donna plans to be with the Doctor forever; Martha knows that this can't last but doesn't push Donna about it.

Yeah, that was pretty much a great big red flag saying "Disaster Approaching" right there, wasn't it?

 

[Starkers]

If Rose can make come back then by science so can Romana and the Time Lords.

You nailed it right there, pure and simple.

Rose isn't dead though

 

[The Nth Doctor]

If Rose can make come back then by science so can Romana and the Time Lords.

You nailed it right there, pure and simple.

I notice you left off the Adric part.

Yeah, but that's because we saw him die and there is no means of saving him. That was the whole point of the conversation The Doctor has with Tegan.

If Rose can make come back then by science so can Romana and the Time Lords.

You nailed it right there, pure and simple.

Rose isn't dead though

For all we know, Romana isn't either, which is my point.

 

[Timby]

That was not only the worst episode this season, but one of the worst of all times. It was poor in every regards, to the point I simply found my thoughts wandering during the episode. Acting=Weak. Direction=Weak. Plot=What? Tennant phoned in every cliched emotional moment, running through face gurnings and eye swellings like a rolodex. What a suckass episode. Here's to Agatha Christie...

Looking back, it was pretty bad. The idea of the war that had been going on for generations (which means a week) was not a bad one. The thing is, you could have built a proper episode all around that, leading up to it, figuring it out, and so on. Instead they crammed this Doctor's daughter nonsense in.

And then, just to cap it off, they threw in that whole "The TARDIS brought us there because of Jenny and by bringing us there it caused us to create Jenny." Doctor Who is usually much better about not doing that kind of time loop paradox stuff.

It was very Old Who, but it was Old Who done very badly. All the ingredients were there but it was just terrible execution.

Those fish-men certainly looked like classic Who aliens, by which I mean they looked like ass. And of course it wouldn't be Doctor Who without a visit to the mysterious Planet Gravelquarry VIII.

 

[auntiehill]

Neither Hubby or I cared for this episode at all. I thought it was very cheesy and completely cliche. The ending just made us roll our eyes. The dialogue was very heavy-handed and the plot seemed rather rushed.

The season seemed to be plugging along just fine, and then THIS episode.... Ah well. They can't all be gems.