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Do you think LGBT characters will feature more prominently?

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This would probably be another instance where Trek would only be likely to explore it with aliens, if they explore it at all.[/QUOTE]Then this would likely be an outsider's perspective of the human race...a human race that doesn't naturally change gender.

Perhaps it would be hard to imagine being the same gender for your entire life, to these aliens.
 
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Then this would likely be an outsider's perspective of the human race...a human race that doesn't naturally change gender.

Perhaps it would be hard to imagine being the same gender for your entire life, to these aliens.

I think they'd have to be careful with that lest it become preachy or insensitive. Transgender people don't come to these decisions lightly, and a species that just changes at will may trivialize that.
 
Gender changing aliens have already been explored sort of with Trills. It's done with symbiotes and hosts, but it's not a completely new idea.
 
This is just how it should be done. I fear that when they have a gay character they just become a stereotype or used in a cringe-inducing or insulting way.
I've thought they should kind of do it the way it was done (in a way) with the character of Ripley in the first Alien movie. The role was written for a man, and then they cast an actress, but they didn't change the role. Write the gay character the same as the non-gay characters, except when it comes to romantic or sexual situations.

At this point a gay man in a committed on screen relationship is probably the most daring gay character Trek can do.
As far as showing the character in a committed relationship, that would be fine if the intent was to "slide" the character in in a careful way. Part of me would like to see someone more like early Riker, who was often seen checking women out, and not alway in a subtle way.

I'd also like to see some married couples whether gay or straight and with wedding rings, maybe even the captain as married even.
We did see Sisko married towards the end of DS9, but I would like to see a married main character in the new series. Not every last person has to be "available" to play the field.

I would also like to see someone who is celibate/chaste through a life style choice and open about it.

Assuming I won't, I'm gonna stick to thinking that homophobes are massive dick-heads who I have no respect for.
From the Urban Dictionary. Bigot, one who is narrowly or intolerantly devoted to his or her opinions and prejudices.

The actual issue is this - will they have hot man on man love on the bridge in Episode one or two?
As a incoming Romulan torpedo nears the ship, the macho Captain will embrace his slim and lovely twink yeo-person.

All of those characters are the villain of the story and most of the time, not a member of the crew unless it is about some unknown Ensign learning to the error of his ways and changing.
The unfrozen trio in The Neutral Zone were villains? If anything they were innocent victims, and there is no indication that Picard learns the error of his ways by the end of the episode.

Let's add Chekov, the first dialog we hear from him included a charming racist joke about the Klingons.

I would prefer if they just leave everyone's sexuality unsaid and don't do forced romances.
But sexuality is a important part of being Human (and probably other species too). Unless TPTB only show the characters "on the job" and depict absolutely no personal time, their sexuality is going to become apparent in short order. We learned Crusher, Riker and Troi's sexuality in the TNG pilot.

Could Trek have a story in which a character has a sex change?
TNG, The Host.
That would be more of a body swap, than a sex change.

Showing a sex change that was a one time injection/surgery would somewhat trivialize the process. Personally I think there are advantages to it being a protracted process, with multiple stages.

It shouldn't be like taking a x-change pill.

Religious bigotry: "Convert and repent, or we'll kill you and send you to your rightful master in hell!"

Atheist bigotry: "People who still believe in a God are fucking stupid!"
Occasionally you'll encounter fans with a version of that, insisting (often vehemently) that the future has no place for religion, and that it would disappear. In a new series there should (imho) be a place for pro-religion, anti-religion and those who are completely neutral on the matter.

Having a Captain, padd in hand, emerging from a obvious crowded religious service at the beginning of a episode would be great. She encounters the ship's Chief Engineer who asks why the Captain bothers with such nonsense, the Captain just gives the engineer a tolerant smile (you so silly).

Tolerance, room for differing positions, sometimes complete opposites.

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Even Chief O'Brien, his intolerance of Cardassians is often challenged and he is called out on it. He doesn't want to work with them, he doesn't want to have to even interact with one. Even when they are the victims, he finds a way to vilify them. He's one of those 'I'm not racist BUT...' people. Keiko doesn't agree with his views, and on more than one occasion has challenged him on the subject. Few agree with him, save for the Bajorans who just came out of a 60-year occupation.
O'Brien hated "Cardies" because of the war, not because they where Cardassians...
And yes, he thought every Cardassian was bad, but during the show he tried to change that and better himself...
It's still a good idea to be wary of a Cardassians intentions ;)
With Kirk it was "Because of what they did to my son!", later on he tried to get over it and realize it wasn't the fault of every Klingon...
There are old people here in Holland who still don't trust Germans thanks to WWII...
 
Hi, I'm Joe. This is my partner Bob."

"Hi Joe. Hi Bob. I'm Fred. I'm in Engineering. So what's your assignment?"
 
From the Urban Dictionary. Bigot, one who is narrowly or intolerantly devoted to his or her opinions and prejudices. .

Ah, the classic... intolerance of intolerance is an example of intolerance, argument.

Then surely (using thes same fuzzy logic) tolerance of tolerance is an example of tolerance.

With that in mind, I choose to show tolerance to those who show intolerance to intolerance.
 
From the Urban Dictionary. Bigot, one who is narrowly or intolerantly devoted to his or her opinions and prejudices. .

Ah, the classic... intolerance of intolerance is an example of intolerance, argument.

Then surely (using thes same fuzzy logic) tolerance of tolerance is an example of tolerance.

With that in mind, I choose to show tolerance to those who show intolerance to intolerance.

That will simply not be tolerated!
 
From the Urban Dictionary. Bigot, one who is narrowly or intolerantly devoted to his or her opinions and prejudices. .

Ah, the classic... intolerance of intolerance is an example of intolerance, argument.

Then surely (using thes same fuzzy logic) tolerance of tolerance is an example of tolerance.

With that in mind, I choose to show tolerance to those who show intolerance to intolerance.

That will simply not be tolerated!

YOU'RE THE BIGGEST BIGOT OF THEM ALL!
 
Ah, the classic... intolerance of intolerance is an example of intolerance, argument.
Tolerance of intolerance. You exhibit tolerance, and won't be sinking to their level.

An old saying in America: I don't believe in what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

Hi, I'm Joe. This is my partner Bob."
I find the term "partner" to be a little vague (and I hate "significant other"). Just go ahead and say boyfriend or spouse, direct and unambiguous.

I'm officer Malloy, this is my partner officer Reed.

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Has anybody done a bigender character?
A species that changes genders at certain times of their life, you're female for the first few decades, then switch to male (or vice versa).

Or there's a switch if there isn't enough of one gender in the population group. Like the dinosaurs in the movie Jurassic Park.

Another possibility would be a Starfleet officer who was a hermaphrodite (both sets of genitalia), like the opponent alien species in Robert Heinlein's The Number of the Beast.

Not sure what would be the correct (polite) way of referring to such an officer, he, she or a different default term. Using "it" would seen rude.
 
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Has anybody done a bigender character?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender

Burgoyne is one of the main characters in New Frontier novels and is a bigendered alien, and uses non binary pronouns. S/he is a really great character who is funny, highly competent and sexy, with both male and female love interests. S/he is something of a rebel in hir culture because of hir interest in both male and females, while in Hermat culture they generally only accept relationships with other bigendered people.

On another note, I generally find using the word partner to be increasingly old fashioned to describe a same sex relationship. It should either be boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife. Partner, as well as other terms like lover, are holdovers from the day when legal marriage wasn't possible. I find it unlikely same sex couples will still be using vague terms like partner in Trek's utopian future.
 
Has anybody done a bigender character?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender

Burgoyne is one of the main characters in New Frontier novels and is a bigendered alien, and uses non binary pronouns. S/he is a really great character who is funny, highly competent and sexy, with both male and female love interests. S/he is something of a rebel in hir culture because of hir interest in both male and females, while in Hermat culture they generally only accept relationships with other bigendered people.

On another note, I generally find using the word partner to be increasingly old fashioned to describe a same sex relationship. It should either be boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife. Partner, as well as other terms like lover, are holdovers from the day when legal marriage wasn't possible. I find it unlikely same sex couples will still be using vague terms like partner in Trek's utopian future.


I personally don't care for the term husband or wife in any relationship. I prefer to think of my husband as my partner. I think by the 26th century those words will be out of date. However I see your point but I would think by that time people would be free to describe their relationship in any terms they wish.
 
Has anybody done a bigender character?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender

Burgoyne is one of the main characters in New Frontier novels and is a bigendered alien, and uses non binary pronouns. S/he is a really great character who is funny, highly competent and sexy, with both male and female love interests. S/he is something of a rebel in hir culture because of hir interest in both male and females, while in Hermat culture they generally only accept relationships with other bigendered people.

On another note, I generally find using the word partner to be increasingly old fashioned to describe a same sex relationship. It should either be boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife. Partner, as well as other terms like lover, are holdovers from the day when legal marriage wasn't possible. I find it unlikely same sex couples will still be using vague terms like partner in Trek's utopian future.

Sorry but I have to disagree about lover - when one of my exes said it in her thick French accent...
 
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