Do you miss the original crew?

[Ghost]

Have you tried Farscape? Or Warehouse 13?

I know both
Watched them when they aired the first time, never finished Warehouse 13 though. Missed the last season because I don't think it aired here in the Netherlands. (Guess I should take some time to watch that)

Not much of a Firefly fan I am afraid, I did watch it but I never really liked the whole Cowboys in Space sci fi sub genre. (I know Star Trek was a little like that but this seemed a bit to much wild west in space themed)

I like quite a lot of Joss Whedon's stuff but this couldn't get to me.
I did watch Serenity though.

 

[Terok Nor]

I wish the original crew had made more movies. 6 movies wasn't enough!

I think the new actors playing Kirk, Spock and Bones are great. I'm just not that into the new universe. I miss Scotty, Sulu, Uhura and Checkov more because I don't think the recasts of those characters are reminiscent of the orginals at all. Scotty is downright terrible. Pine, Quinto and Urban are flawless in the roles of Kirk, Spock and Bones so its hard to miss Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley when watching the new movies.

 

[Botany Bay]

Pine, Quinto and Urban are flawless in the roles of Kirk, Spock and Bones so its hard to miss Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley when watching the new movies.

I'll always miss the talents of Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley, but I agree with you. If people have any issues with the JJ films casting surely can't be one of them. These three are fantastic, particularly Urban as Bones. I think they've missed a trick not giving Urban more to do.

There were some rumours going around recently that this may be rectified in Trek 3.

 

[MANT!]

I miss them..The original cast was simply fantastic. Through TOS, TAS and the films (and guest appearances on TNG..always a treat) the interaction of the characters simply couldn't be beat. in addition, (as was mentioned) the sense of adventure is something the spin-offs just didn't capture near as well.

The Neo Trek films so far have a different dynamic (designed for the youth market) and the interaction of the characters is different but in a good way IMHO, because it would ring hollow if they were exactly the same as those actors we know and love!!
For the most part, I do like what has been done, and it is getting some new fans interested with Star Trek fandom...and that's a good thing.

 

[Push The Button]

Its all part of growing up and growing old, sooner or later we lose the people and places that we love. Trek will never be as special and enjoyable to me as it was back when I was a kid in the early 70's and watching the episodes for the very first time, but it is still enjoyable, and it will always be a part of my life, certainly one of the better parts.

 

[A beaker full of death]

I'll always miss the talents of Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley, but I agree with you. If people have any issues with the JJ films casting surely can't be one of them. These three are fantastic, particularly Urban as Bones. I think they've missed a trick not giving Urban more to do.

I literally don't understand this. Urban is certainly the best of the three, and I suppose the boy playing Kirk fits the college jock that they've turned the character into (which is a far cry from TOS Kirk). Quinto's Spock is just miles off; Nimoy's cool erudition is sorely missed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'll always miss the talents of Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley, but I agree with you. If people have any issues with the JJ films casting surely can't be one of them. These three are fantastic, particularly Urban as Bones. I think they've missed a trick not giving Urban more to do.

I literally don't understand this. Urban is certainly the best of the three, and I suppose the boy playing Kirk fits the college jock that they've turned the character into (which is a far cry from TOS Kirk). Quinto's Spock is just miles off; Nimoy's cool erudition is sorely missed.

Different strokes. Urban's take is a little too close to an impersonation for me. Pine capture's Kirk's swagger and confidence without doing a Shatner impersonation. He does use some subtle Kirk body language, though. And at 35, is hardly a "boy". As for Quinto. I like his Spock, but no one can ever match what Nimoy brought to the role. He and Nimoy were friends, so I think Nimoy might have shared his insights with Quinto. Occasionally that seems to shine through.

 

[T'Bonz]

I find Urban to be the closest to the true character. Quinto could be, but his Spock is written as a bit petulant and I didn't like him stranding Kirk to a possible death and his sleeping with his student. Not Spock.

Pine - just can't buy his Kirk. Again, not his fault, but the writing. His Kirk, frankly, is a bit of an arrogant punk.

I miss the old gang, but times move on. I don't think we'll ever see the likes of the Big Three again, even though there has been plenty of good Trek post-TOS (and plenty of bad).

 

[Nerys Myk]

Kirk's supposed to be an arrogant punk, especially in 09.

 

[Marsden]

I literally don't understand this. Urban is certainly the best of the three, and I suppose the boy playing Kirk fits the college jock that they've turned the character into (which is a far cry from TOS Kirk). Quinto's Spock is just miles off; Nimoy's cool erudition is sorely missed.

I find Urban to be the closest to the true character. Quinto could be, but his Spock is written as a bit petulant and I didn't like him stranding Kirk to a possible death and his sleeping with his student. Not Spock.

Pine - just can't buy his Kirk. Again, not his fault, but the writing. His Kirk, frankly, is a bit of an arrogant punk.

I miss the old gang, but times move on. I don't think we'll ever see the likes of the Big Three again, even though there has been plenty of good Trek post-TOS (and plenty of bad).

Thank you both, I was thinking I was the only one that felt that way. I don't find Pine believable at all. Quinto seems like he's doing a good job in some scenes, in other's he seems constipated and miserable, not Spock.


Urban is a gem. He's the only one I really actually like from the new cast, although Harold does ok as Sulu.

Actually, I haven't seen Urban bad in anything, he's an excellent actor and I don't know why he isn't a "bigger name" I commend his acting ability highly. He was incredible as Judge Dredd, but I'm drifting off topic.

The others, not so much. Scotty sucks so bad I'm surprised they needed the red matter to make a black hole.

Kirk's supposed to be an arrogant punk, especially in 09.

And that's one of the main reasons I don't like it.

 

[BillJ]

Kirk's supposed to be an arrogant punk, especially in 09.

+1

Kirk has always been arrogant. I think the character we see in the Abrams movies is a good precursor to the Kirk we see in TOS and the movies.

 

[Ghost]

Kirk has always been arrogant. I think the character we see in the Abrams movies is a good precursor to the Kirk we see in TOS and the movies.

I can't really agree, Kirk felt more like someone who rebelled against the rules when it prevented people like him from doing what is good, right or necessary.

The new Kirk, well he just seems to rebel against every established just because.
It made him rather annoying and an unlikeable dick to me who got his command because fate/destiny insisted on it and not because he showed the quality of leadership that would make men, women, and non humans want to follow him or listen to him.

 

[BillJ]

The new Kirk, well he just seems to rebel against every established just because.

This is many, many young men in a nutshell.

It made him rather annoying and an unlikeable dick to me who got his command because fate/destiny insisted on it and not because he showed the quality of leadership that would make men, women, and non humans want to follow him or listen to him.

Problem being, we don't know who a less seasoned Jim Kirk is like in the Prime timeline? We see a man in "Where No Man...", that has already had years in the captain's chair. We don't even know how he obtained command?

I think it comes down to how people want to see the character? From my perspective, he was always a very flawed, very pompous individual. Something my wife commented on when we were watching TWOK the other night, "I don't like to lose" and "Jim Kirk was never a boy scout".

Before any one comes running to crucify Nick Meyer, this is very evident in the character in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, where he has convinced himself he is the only one that can save Earth and tosses his hand picked successor out of the chair to prove it. He's always treated authority with contempt (See: "A Taste of Armageddon", "Galileo Seven" and "The Trouble with Tribbles").

The thing about the Abrams films, is that you can tell they did their homework in regards to these character, Kirk in particular. Kirk doesn't like authority when it isn't his, he is a pompous ass with a short trigger. All of those things comprise the basics of the character.

 

[Marsden]

But, BillJ, most of those things are either from the movies or from civilian authorities that seem to be over reaching. And by over reaching, I don't mean that they don't technically have the authority, they do, but it's how they use it, as if what they say is law and must be obeyed slavishly and without question. And in each case you mentioned that would have gotten bad results, possibly everyone killed with an unthinking commander that doesn't weigh the orders against their own common sense and experience. Jim Kirk thinks he's right because he's confident and he usually proves to be right, NuKirk is just an ass.

I always wondered how some of these people attained their authority. Kirk attained his through hard work and heroic action. If commissioners and ambassadors in the Federation are anything like Senators today, they all got their authority by lying and being sneaky and well connected. Not exactly inspiring of respect.

 

[BillJ]

But, BillJ, most of those things are either from the movies or from civilian authorities that seem to be over reaching. And by over reaching, I don't mean that they don't technically have the authority, they do, but it's how they use it, as if what they say is law and must be obeyed slavishly and without question. And in each case you mentioned that would have gotten bad results, possibly everyone killed with an unthinking commander that doesn't weigh the orders against their own common sense and experience. Jim Kirk thinks he's right because he's confident and he usually proves to be right, NuKirk is just an ass.

You're more than welcome to your interpretation of the character. That is what makes discussions like this interesting.

For me, I find the Abrams Kirk a pretty credible precursor to the character I grew up loving.

 

[Marsden]

^Indeed, BillJ, I do agree with your assessment.

But, I do not enjoy it.

And I honestly, I don't like too many young punks, I don't even think I'd like myself at that age. And one of the things that appealed to me about Kirk and Spock was their maturity.

 

[BillJ]

But, I do not enjoy it.

Not everyone is going to enjoy everything, nor is it mandatory. I do love discussions like this because it does open my eyes to possibilities not explored.

I do think that any movie made about pre-TOS Kirk would've explored his tendencies to buck authority.

 

[stardream]

I thought Urban was an almost perfect McCoy. I've been following his career ever since Lord of the Rings. His 'introduction' to Kirk was one of the best scenes in the movie.

Quinto was ok. I liked the actor but I knew going in that no one would come close to the 'real' Spock but I thought he made a good effort.

I admit that I like Pine as Kirk.... for shallow reasons that have no place in a mature conversation.

 

[Ghost]

Hey BillJ, I see your points.
I still don't like the new Kirk but I can understand what you mean.

 

[A beaker full of death]

When there has been so very much official and unofficial Trek written, over the course of such a long time, it is hard to know how much of one's interpretation of a character is derived from the performance/writing and how much has devolved culturally. However, I've always taken at face value the lines in TOS about Kirk having been a very serious young student (Shore Leave), and McCoy's skepticism that Kirk was ever the "love 'em and leave 'em" type (Turnabout Intruder).
Over the decades, the Kirk character got that reputation (especially in comparison to Stewart's style as Picard), but he wasn't much of a rule-breaker, and never a cad, in TOS.
AbramsTrek's Kirk feels like the incarnation of Kirk's reputation rather than the character presented in TOS.

EDIT: My apologies; I seem to have followed the thread down quite a tangent.