Easily fixed. It was a cold war and there was no need for Picard to add that detail, he was trying to make a point.
Do you like the Discovery Klingon look?
- Thread starter jackoverfull
- Start date
Well, we ARE still talking about it over thirty years later. This is not an opinion.
could you provide an example of what couldn’t you do?
I more meant the "questionable decision " part. But, fair enough.
What couldn't I do? Change anything. At least not without explanation.
so, in the end, it’s not a matter or what can or can’t be done, but on how it can’t be dome: that is, doing it with no explanation at all and expecting no eyebrows to be raised.
That is a simplification but for the most part accurate.
What are you talking about? I don't like the redesigns, it's an artistic choice that I don't care for. For you who seem to feel-IMO-that detractors, complainers, or skeptics care too much about this, you certainly are expending a lot of energy attempting to impose your views and definitions over mine.
When TNG debuted the Ferengi they didn't get the response they expected, so they created the Borg and largely shelved the Ferengi (which the DS9 writers later rescued). Was the lackluster fan response to the Ferengi also not valid? And was the decision to sideline them on TNG, and also later to expand upon them on DS9, not valid decisions either? Or what about DISCO's writers redesigning their own redesigns-somewhat-for the second season? Was that also not a valid choice?
We've see that happen with Voyager and arguably ENT as well, when their first turn at bat for the early season big bads didn't go over well, so they went back to the drawing board. Arguably DISCO did this as well, by pushing a lot of the Klingon subplots to the side in Season 2, and not even mentioning Klingons in the third season, and so far in not mentioning them in the fourth. Granted, perhaps Strange New Worlds will take up where DISCO left them, but that remains to be seen. It also remains to be seen what changes the SNW creatives will render to the Klingons as well. My guess is that we will get more variety, with DISCO Klingons alongside TOS and TOS movies/TNG-ENT era.
Canon is always expanding. Continuity is mutable. Things change and data points are over written.
Honestly, there's never been a mystery with Romulan forehead ridges, some have them, some don't. This was made clear in TNG Unification where Spock publicly walks the streets of Romulus with his smooth forehead on display and no one questions "where his ridges at?" Nowadays we have the explanation from Picard that the ridges belong to Northerners.
Half those decisions were made by Bryan Fuller for reasons known only to him and kept after he was fired mostly because the money was already spent on them.
That's a funny thing to say considering the Suliban, Future Guy and the whole Temporal Cold War were mandated by the studio against Berman and Braga's wishes.
Continuity was never a thing in Doctor Who. One of the show's most revered writers and producers once said on the matter "Continuity is only whatever I can remember."
There's a difference between not remembering something and deliberately changing something you do know. The Timeless Child nonsense is an example.
Meh, not the first time Doctor Who has done something like that. Remember the Doctor being revealed to be half human in the 96 TV movie? Future showrunners will be free to ignore the Timeless Child as they see fit, just as everyone in the current series has ignored the Doctor being half human. It's really not worth getting upset over.
Not to mention Andrew Cartmel's nonsense about the 7th Doctor being some kind of ancient being and not a Time Lord.
I personally am not upset over it. But apparently lots of Who fans are, since the ratings have declined recently.
My point is that coming in and changing things in a long-established franchise just to change them or to put your own little personal spin on things isn't always necessarily a good idea.
How well it's working right now for any given property is irrelevant. It's a fact of life for any on going franchise.
What? That properties change and evolve over time? That vocal fans will whine? They knew the job was dangerous when they took it. Sometime ideas bomb and you have to change course. Another fact of life.
It's not exactly a top secret. These people are professionals.
I think a lot of time and effort went into the look, though early on they clearly didn't think about speaking with the make-up on as everyone sounded like they had marbles in their mouths. I could take or leave the look, but it doesn't really fit in with what came before.
I think it's a legitimate extrapolation of what started in TMP in an attempt to make the Klingons more alien. Not necessarily what I would have done, but I was never asked.
Similar threads
