Do you like the Discovery Klingon look?

[FederationHistorian]

And I'll take your lack of response to what I said about "Will You Take My Hand?" as a silent agreement or acknowledgement of the points I raised. You're welcome

I didn’t know we were talking about it. It doesn’t change the fact that about 50% of DIS features pew-pew action at some point in an episode.

How would you like it if I judged all of ENT Season 3 by the likes of "Zero Hour" or "Azatzi Prime" or -- dare I say it -- "Anomaly"? The truth.

Judge away. I’m not bothered by it at all. Just the other day, I read how someone thought it was the Xindi arc that killed ENT on one of the Star trek subreddits.

As a hardcore ENT Fan

I’m a hardcore ENT fan, even though I grew up with TNG (one of my all time favourite Trek episodes is “Tapestry”), DS9 is still my favourite Trek, VOY was the Trek whose reruns were watched the most in my household, and I’ve ranked ENT at the bottom of Trek series on more that one occasion. Although after the DIS S4 premiere, I’ve re-evaluated ENT’s standing to be ranked at 6th place out of 11. Although I’m sure it will change again once PIC S2 and SNW airs next year. It doesn't mean no one can't enjoy DIS and that it doesn't have its hardcore fans.

And what the Hell does this have to do with the Klingon Look? Apologies to the mods for contributing to this crazy tangent.

I was responding to a reply regarding what the Klingons have been an allegory for. And after suggesting some ideas on how the writers could flesh it out to represent today’s world, I added the pew-pew action sentence.

 

[jackoverfull]

I did ask it. I am seeking to understand how people can make sense of the world within the context clues given. We're not talking the changes you are outlying. We are talking a change to make up that can still be identified as "Klingon" through the rest of the dialog and presentation on screen. If we can make it through TMP then I struggle to see how DSC is any different if we can figure out they are Klingons in TMP from ships alone as clues without explanation.

well, wasn’t your question among the lines of “aren’t these instantly recognizable as Klingons”? Because the answer is clearly no, not from the looks alone, they could very well be a new species.

Want to show more of Romulus, you build it. But believably. Don't waste your world-building in service of pandering to fanon hang-ups over differing aesthetic interpretations over the decades.

Spock was able to walk around Romulus freely without having a ridge, which seems to imply it wasn't that out of place.

this. It was not an interpretation: Spock appeared with the smooth makeup in the same frame as Romululans with the bumpy one. It was a difference in universe as well and a very odd one until Picard came along.

Hiding in caves on Romulus as I recall.

nope. He went out in the open in several scenes.

Also: irrelevant if we go by your argument that the makeup difference difference is just a different interpretation of the same thing.

The familiarity of his face would be a problem for him regardless.

Also irrelevant and not necessarily true, as long as he keeps a low profile.

 

[Tuskin38]

Hiding in caves on Romulus as I recall.

Not entirely. He was out in the open a lot. He ate at an outside restaurant

 

[Lord Garth]

I didn’t know we were talking about it. It doesn’t change the fact that about 50% of DIS features pew-pew action at some point in an episode.

"At some point" is distinctly different from "non-stop". That was the point I was making. But this is beating a dead horse, so...

Judge away. I’m not bothered by it at all. Just the other day, I read how someone thought it was the Xindi arc that killed ENT on one of the Star trek subreddits.

Nah. This has been taken too far already.

I was responding to a reply regarding what the Klingons have been an allegory for. And after suggesting some ideas on how the writers could flesh it out to represent today’s world, I added the pew-pew action sentence.

Fair enough.

 

[Tuskin38]

They probably walk away from it too polite to say anything about what happened.

CBS offered Chabon to head a show based on one of his books, that's why he stepped down as showrunner. He was still a writer on Season 2 though.

 

[The Wormhole]

But the precedent was set by ENT to explain the drastic changes in the look of the Klingons

Enterprise stepped and addressed that change twenty-five years after it was made. If we're adhering to the precedent Enterprise has apparently set, then an explanation for the Disco Klingons isn't required any earlier than 2032. Which means no one has a right to complain about this matter for another eleven years.

That's precedent.

 

[fireproof78]

well, wasn’t your question among the lines of “aren’t these instantly recognizable as Klingons”? Because the answer is clearly no, not from the looks alone, they could very well be a new species.

No, that wasn't my question.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Enterprise stepped and addressed that change twenty-five years after it was made. If we're adhering to the precedent Enterprise has apparently set, then an explanation for the Disco Klingons isn't required any earlier than 2032. Which means no one has a right to complain about this matter for another eleven years.

That's precedent.

Even later, 25 years after Discovery’s Klingons debuted is 2042!

 

[The Wormhole]

Shit, you're right. Math never was my strongest subject.

So in accordance with the precedent apparently set by Enterprise, no complaints about Disco Klingons and a lack of explanation about them are allowed for another twenty-one years. I have spoken.

 

[Dukhat]

Backstage photos of the DSC Klingons were released before the show premiered. I can clearly recall the posts about those photos, and people questioning if those aliens were in fact Klingons despite the photo caption. That wouldn’t have happened if there was any doubt in John Q. Startrekfan’s mind that those aliens were indisputably Klingons.

The point is that if you want to make a prequel to TOS that takes place ten years before, you don’t radically change one of the main alien races (or their ships) to the point of unrecognizability. The producers of DSC figured this out by season 2, which is why the Klingons look more like they did in TNG (again without any explanation about the change) and made a ship that actually resembled a D7/K’t’inga.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Shit, you're right. Math never was my strongest subject.

So in accordance with the precedent apparently set by Enterprise, no complaints about Disco Klingons and a lack of explanation about them are allowed for another twenty-one years. I have spoken.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Backstage photos of the DSC Klingons were released before the show premiered. I can clearly recall the posts about those photos, and people questioning if those aliens were in fact Klingons despite the photo caption. That wouldn’t have happened if there was any doubt in John Q. Startrekfan’s mind that those aliens were indisputably Klingons.

That's just John Q. Startrekfan being the obstinate idiot that he is.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Shit, you're right. Math never was my strongest subject.

So in accordance with the precedent apparently set by Enterprise, no complaints about Disco Klingons and a lack of explanation about them are allowed for another twenty-one years. I have spoken.

It is the will of Kahless!

 

[Dukhat]

That's just John Q. Startrekfan being the obstinate idiot that he is.

I think that’s quite a disparaging attitude to have about your fellow fans. I would never call anyone who enjoys Star Trek an idiot. That’s reserved for people who like reality TV.

 

[fireproof78]

That's just John Q. Startrekfan being the obstinate idiot that he is.

I'm sure if TMP pictures of the Klingons circulated without context we would be able to identify them as Klingons right away in the 70s. Right?

Also, I'm a proud idiot.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think that’s quite a disparaging attitude to have about your fellow fans. I would never call anyone who enjoys Star Trek an idiot. That’s reserved for people who like reality TV.

Why? Liking Star Trek doesn't make you smart. It doesn't make you superior. We have all the foibles and failings of everyone else.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm sure if TMP pictures of the Klingons circulated without context we would be able to identify them as Klingons right away in the 70s. Right?

Also, I'm a proud idiot.

I wish I could find that rant a fan posted about the Klingon redesign back in the day.

 

[Dukhat]

Why? Liking Star Trek doesn't make you smart. It doesn't make you superior. We have all the foibles and failings of everyone else.

You made a sweeping generalization about people who would question a backstage photo of aliens that look nothing like the Klingons they’ve seen for the last 40+ years. That makes them all idiots?

My definition of an idiot in such context is someone who would blindly and unquestioningly believe everything that’s told to them.

 

[fireproof78]

I wish I could find that rant a fan posted about the Klingon redesign back in the day.

I'm sure it's nothing compared to the heresy of Trek's production team now

 

[Nerys Myk]

Okay here is it. By a "superfan" named Leslie Thomson

It's like it was posted yesterday!!!!! Even has the ever popular "We're supposed to sit back and accept it".