It's still stupid.
Do you like the Discovery Klingon look?
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They had the Defiant's plaque say Constitution Class instead of Starship Class.
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So you have no evidence to back up your assumption. I see.
Just like you have no evidence of the new showrunners having a ‘different artistic preference.’ That’s just your opinion, like I have mine.
However, I made a logical assumption based on what I saw, based on internet fandom reaction to the new Klingon redesign, based on Fuller’s departure, and the changes made to both the Klingons and their ships for season 2. You’re welcome to disagree with my assumption all you want; I don’t particularly care.
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sure.
he literally has a woman as the first officer.
yeah, or kirk’s answer might have been a “whatever you say”, to avoid engaging in a hopeless discussion.
Funny how some people chose to interpret some things in broad strokes but chose to be very literal on others.
no, it’s consistent.
And a perfectly valid artistic choice, but I know that only applies to discovery.
And not even 100% true: the lightsabers have been shown to have evolved, the Death Star is pretty new tech and so are some of the ships and weapons in the new movies.
4000 years of consistency. No wonder genre fans hate change.
Yes, it is.
How have lightsabers evolved?
I see. Yet you get pretty upset if someone dare to say that something discovery did is “stupid”, as you just did with Star Wars.
slowly. Current lightsabers don’t have bulky battery packs, for example, early ones did.
I was thinking of films and video games but fair enough. Personally, I would prefer more variety, especially in armor. The Old Republic Havoc Squad armor could be clone armor, 4000 years removed.
No, I suggested it as an alternate possibility. I did not assert it as a fact.
You're the one asserting something as a fact; I just want evidence.
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sure.
"Tell me you've never worked in the arts without telling me you've never worked in the arts."
Yes, and he makes it clear that she's the token exception and that otherwise he's not used to having women on the bridge.
I mean, if you want to interpret his words that way, that's your business, but I don't see anything in the text to support that interpretation.
Except "it's okay to change continuity in a text" is not the same thing as interpreting the text. You're comparing apples to oranges.
If I say that Shakespeare's decision contradict himself on how many children Lady Macbeth had was legitimate, that does not negate an argument I might make about the meaning behind the "out, damned spot!" scene.
Consistency can be stupid sometimes.
(Not in this case though.)I for one don't have a problem with the SW EU being based on the idea of broad technological similarity over long spans of time. Human technology has existed in states of long-term equilibrium for most of our history; the rapid technological progress of the last 500 years is a historical outlier, and it's plausible that tech in the SW galaxy could be at a state of general equilibrium for 4,000 years. It's a legitimate artistic choice.
It is odd that they used actual, unedited footage from The Cage in a flashback. So in that scene, they acknowledged that this is how the ship, the sets, the uniforms looked. Did that destroy the episode? Was the art ruined? Were production, science, story, format, fabrics affected in any way?
It is odd that they used actual, unedited footage from The Cage in a flashback. So in that scene, they acknowledged that this is how the ship, the sets, the uniforms looked. Did that destroy the episode? Was the art ruined? Were production, science, story, format, fabrics affected in any way?
I loved seeing both versions of the TOS era with that flashback.
oh the irony!
I’ve been a professional musician for almost nine years now, I’m the son of another professional musician and a person who juggled between jobs as science teacher, musician and author, I literally grew up between concerts, theater plays and books being made.
which doesn’t tell a thing on Starfeet, only on pike.
I didn't mind their look, as much as their ships.
I thought the justification was that the Ruusan War conflict hurdled back society two thousand years, a thousand years before the movies. It was that apocalyptical. Jedi were becoming warlords, governors, and so on as the Republic was disintegrating. The New Sith Empire or w/e also was grinding the galaxy down. By the time of the Seventh Battle of Ruusan, they were almost medieval-like armies on junk cruisers put-putting around planets.
I thought the justification was that the Ruusan War conflict hurdled back society two thousand years, a thousand years before the movies. It was that apocalyptical. Jedi were becoming warlords, governors, and so on as the Republic was disintegrating. The New Sith Empire or w/e also was grinding the galaxy down. By the time of the Seventh Battle of Ruusan, they were almost medieval-like armies on junk cruisers put-putting around planets.
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Then you should know full well that doing something different does not mean you don't respect what prior artists have done. When Jimi Hendrix covered "All Along the Watchtower" in a totally different arrangement, he wasn't disrespecting Bob Dylan. Claiming that them doing something different than prior artists meant they were disrespecting those artists was absolute nonsense, and you as a musician should understand that.
The only reason Number One could have been a token is if Starfleet was systemically discriminating against women.
sure, but you don’t insist they are the same thing.
bad example, as he kept mostly the same chords and the same basic melody, only elaborating on what was already there and adding his own arrangement.
And again, he never said it’s supposed to be the same thing. There isn’t a continuity in music like there is in television.
A better example would be the copyright owner of, say, pride and prejudice having a new author insert zombies in the book *and say i they have always been there*
To get to the point, the Abrams movies got much less flack because they were a reboot, discovery is supposedly set in the same old continuity.
says who? It’s absurd to think that Starfleet isn’t open to women, even with the evidence we have in that single episode.
Presuming you're replying to me, well, logically of course it is. But Star Wars is a story told in a mythic structure. The ancients didn't have the same ideas of progress that we did, in large part because technological advancement between about 3,000 BC and 1500 AD was slow and halting and often reversed itself. As one example, indoor plumbing was repeatedly invented going back as far as Sumer...and then forgotten once again. So the way that stories were told was that things in the past were pretty much the same as the present (except more stylized, more heroic, etc.)
Having realistic tech in Star Wars just kinda ruins the precepts though. As an example droids have existed for thousands of years. However, no droids seem to exceed humans in terms of their abilities. This makes no sense - super-intelligent AI should be trivially easy to create. However, if it existed the level of agency of the human characters would rapidly diminish, and you'd have a very different franchise (like The Matrix). If Star Wars was a somewhat "harder" setting there might be some explanation for it (there possibly was in the books) but the point of the setting is not man vs. machine, and explaining it is not central to the storytelling.
Well, a little kid did build one of his own, which in an ironic twist of fate (or shitty scriptwriting, you take your pick) that same droid ended up in the possession of that kid's future kid.
You and I have much different experiences over those films.
How so? I'll grant the interesting aspect of technology being more slow in advancement, even in human history, but there are at least changes that can be seen. Star Wars feels almost static in some places.
I think those films are the reason why we have DSC, PIC, LDS, PRO, SNW, and any other show CBS chooses to produce today.
Maybe. But, that doesn't change the fan interaction I had of them being out of continuity or inappropriate tech for the era from discussions around the internet.
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