Discovery is losing me in Season 3, anyone else?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Ometiklan, Jan 4, 2021.

  1. I was Mephisto All Along!

    I was Mephisto All Along! Admiral Admiral

    Mar 21, 2017
    The only thing I have liked this year is the stuff between Culber/Stammets and Adira and some interests in the Vance/Starfleet stuff. Burnham is at a all time low in bad writing and Saru and Tilly it seems have hardly gotten anything interesting to do. Book is okay but not compelling and Jet Reno seems to barely be their this year and also the Georgiou stuff was also at all time low in bad writing.

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  2. No Grave Found

    No Grave Found Admiral Admiral

    May 22, 2001
    Noname Given
    So...shit? ;)
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  3. KennyBoo

    KennyBoo I have spoken............ Moderator

    Jul 19, 2001
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  4. SpocksOddSocks

    SpocksOddSocks Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 30, 2015
    It's not losing me, but it is disappointing me. It's not bad, but it still feels confused, as if it isn't really sure what kind of show it wants to be. It does surprise and subvert expectations at times, but often in a way that seems unsatisfying from a storytelling perspective.

    I still think I enjoyed the first series more than either second or third overall, and none a much a I did Picard. While that season had some issues, the narrative did feel more satisfying overall.

    I still look forward to it each week, as more new trek is still a good thing, but I kind of go in expecting mild disappointment. Generally, I find I feel less disappointed doing that.
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  5. XCV666

    XCV666 Premium Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    I am enjoying season 3 a great deal. They've only had one weak-ish episode and crossing fingers, they have stuck the landing so far in the later episodes where normally the season kind of gets rushed and weird at the end.

    The actors are doing superbly now, and writing is catching up with what they're capable of. I like the new characters (RIP Ryn), especially Vance, and Osira is starting to grow on me now. You can see her perspective without having to agree with it. She has to be who she is to hold the Chain together, and if there weren't at least her organization in place. this part of the galaxy would at best be hundreds of warlord states doing things even worse.

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    May 15, 2001
  7. valden

    valden Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Sep 4, 2020
    Same for me. I think it was a mistake for them to jump to the future because it has exposed a lot if the weakness that was hidden well in season 1 and2

    season 1 had Vulcans, Klingons, Michaels ties to sarek, locca. it was watchable

    season 2 was saved greatly by pike and spock
    season 3 so far is devoid of a story and just plain generic. with nothing to save it.

    I am struggling to watch new episodes of discovery since i am loosing interest,
  8. Scout101

    Scout101 Admiral Admiral

    Aug 21, 2003
    Rhode Island, USA
    It’s been disappointing. They had an interesting premise this season, but they didn’t really do anything with it, and had no story to tell. Wasted 2 episodes to sell the spinoff, even. The huge mystery was just a holodeck temper tantrum by a grown man-child. No bigger picture, random accident. Just a huge disappointment
  9. I was Mephisto All Along!

    I was Mephisto All Along! Admiral Admiral

    Mar 21, 2017
    I should also mention they did set up something interesting with Detmer as well and that looked like it might lead to something interesting but it basically ended for no good reason and without any dramatic payoff at all.

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  10. Annorax849

    Annorax849 Commander Red Shirt

    May 22, 2014
    Discovery's been a lot of extremes. Best first season since TOS (as of 2017), best second season overall, and worst third season since TOS (unless the finale is amazing). I will say that I like that they at least made Detmer an actual character this season.
  11. Paul755

    Paul755 Captain Captain

    Jul 21, 2018
    I think, overall, S3 is the best season of the show so far. It’s not on the level of season 3 for TNG, ENT or DS9. But it’s heads and shoulders better than S1-2.

    that said, S3 still has some big problems. But again, not like S1-2.

    We’ll see if they can stick the landing.
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  12. Bollie74

    Bollie74 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 15, 2020
    I enjoy the show for what it is, but I can't help but wonder if man child tantrums causing the Burn may have been better handled with the Omega particle idea everyone was throwing around before the season started. It could have even been a Kelpien that caused it to keep aggressors away, like the Borg or the Dominion. And they could have used the search for why it happened to explore the world of this new century and have the character moments that they had. Seems like a missed opportunity :shrug:
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  13. The Return of Zombie Cheerleader

    The Return of Zombie Cheerleader Moar Nu Trek Pleeze Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Nerys Myk
    I'm good. The Mirror Universe was the only hiccup for me.
  14. Midquest

    Midquest Captain Captain

    Sep 22, 2017
    I liked or loved Seasons 1 and 2 depending on the episode, and I liked the first five episodes of Season 3 a lot, along with 7, 11, and 12. But there's a spark missing. I could be wrong, but it seems the showrunners have heard the loudest and angriest voices and tried to give them what they want, but most fans don't know what they want or want things that wouldn't make good TV. For me, I'm realizing that I just don't care as much when shows are standalone or semi-serial. I want a focused, ongoing plot. To me, Season 2 is still the strongest of the 3.

    That said, I do still like the show. I'm just less invested.
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  15. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 18, 2019
    Omega would've been much better
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  16. Paul755

    Paul755 Captain Captain

    Jul 21, 2018
    who’s to say what makes good TV though.
  17. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 2, 2017
    Yes. This season of Discovery seems less serialized than Enterprise's third season, TBH.

    Unlike some others, I don't absolutely require serialization in order to be engrossed with a show however. I think it's important to have long-standing character arcs - to let characters grow and change over the course of a season, and a series. But there's no requirement to make the season about one big thing in order to be enjoyable.

    But while I think Discovery has done better character work this season, there's not really definable character arcs. If anything, it seems like regression from most of the characters. Going through the cast:

    MIchael: A completely calm, centered person by the third episode due to the one-year time skip. Then she has some sort of crisis of faith regarding her role in Starfleet. Then she gets better. Now she's the same as she ever was.
    Saru: Starts the season as a seemingly well-put-together captain, and then inexplicably loses his sense of judgement in the back half.
    Tilly: Thrust into command, seemingly fails. We will see shortly if she has any growth this season. I'm worried there's not really enough time for her to go up a level.
    Stamets: The father-daughter dynamic he develops with Adira is honestly great - a highlight of the series that brings out a new facet of his character. But then similar to Saru he just falls apart in back end of the season for inexplicable reasons.

    The character with the best, most coherent character arc of the season - Book. He starts off a loner rebel, and becomes converted as a Starfleet true believer. It's kinda like watching Nog's arc in miniature. I'm sure he's gonna die this week, but I hope he doesn't have a last-minute heel turn or something.
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  18. donners22

    donners22 Commodore Commodore

    Jul 12, 2001
    It's easily the weakest of the three for me, though I'd still take it over most other Trek seasons. The only particularly bad episode was Unification III, but it just hasn't hit the same highs.

    It's becoming a bit formulaic and falling back on Trek tropes, which I've seen quite enough of already.
  19. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 14, 2001
    Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    I very much enjoy watching the show, I've just become very jaded toward all the extreme criticisms thrown at DISCOVERY and the current Trek shows around here.

    I use to enjoy coming to the Trek BBS and reading other's thoughts about the different shows.
    But lately, not so much.

    It might be because this last year was so damn strange and unnerving, or it might be that I've become over saturated and tired of what seems to be a constant flow of people finding the most nitpick of things to bitch about and casting blame on the creators of the show.

    We have always done that to some extent, but I remember when we also use to find ways and reasons to counter what we've seen, without harping, berating and casting dispersions on the writers and producers of the show.
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  20. Hades Temperature Checker

    Hades Temperature Checker Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    I have tried to find the positive in many different things and yet the writers end up as constant punching bags and it is a bit discouraging to discussion. No matter what the writers are lacking in some way and are weighed, measured and found wanting no matter what.

    Whatever happened to finding positive ways to work with a show?
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