Discovery is a very good show

[FederationHistorian]

That there is no follow up where T’Pol’s rapist meets justice is a major crime. Perhaps the episode intended to portray that the rapist had friends in high places on Vulcan, and thus would be protected from facing any justice (which is an issue IRL), but was still no reason for Archer to limit his response to throwing the rapist off the ship and then have a quick talk with T’Pol.

At the same time, having the very next episode start with Archer taking pictures, and the episode being him chasing a shapeshifter to morphs not a woman in a nightgown probably was not the best way to follow up with it either. It should have at minimum, opened with Archer messaging Admiral Forrest about the incident. Especially since, even though it a bit narrowminded to focus on human crewmembers, it could have easily been any other member of his crew.

 

[Tuskin38]

I never thought Ash was actually raped, he was just remembering a Voq memory the perspective of his Ash persona. The torture memories were just him remembering being surgically altered into Voq.

I think we the audience (and unaware Ash/Voq) were supposed to think those things happened to Ash at the time, before the later reveal that he's actually Voq.

 

[Weyoun 251]

I never thought Ash was actually raped, he was just remembering a Voq memory the perspective of his Ash persona. The torture memories were just him remembering being surgically altered into Voq.

I think we the audience (and unaware Ash/Voq) were supposed to think those things happened to Ash at the time, before the later reveal that he's actually Voq.

That was where I was with it too - makes more sense to me that those things happened as Voq

 

[Mr J]

DISCO does not deserve the hate it gets. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best ST ever? No. It did however bring ST back into the mainstream and that success is responsible for all the other new ST content available now (that many of the people who despise DISCO like more and are happy to have). It brought in a whole new generation of fans, broke the mould of 90s/00s ST in terms of format and style, and it was clearly successful hence lasting as long as it has.

The venom from some quarters gives me real flashbacks to the old days when ENT was launching. Fandoms never change..

In short though:

• Everything ST fans love about the new era of ST - they have Discovery to thank for it
• Everything ST fans hate about the new era of ST - they have Discovery to blame for it.

 

[USS Firefly]

DISCO does not deserve the hate it gets. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best ST ever? No. It did however bring ST back into the mainstream and that success is responsible for all the other new ST content available now (that many of the people who despise DISCO like more and are happy to have).

In that case it is also responsible for the end of the Litverse .

Joking of course.... Well sort of

 

[Tuskin38]

In that case it is also responsible for the end of the Litverse .

Joking of course.... Well sort of

Wasn't that Picard?

 

[USS Firefly]

Wasn't that Picard?

No because according to Mr J thanks to the succes of Discovery we got Picard and the other Trek shows

 

[Vger23]

DISCO does not deserve the hate it gets. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best ST ever? No. It did however bring ST back into the mainstream and that success is responsible for all the other new ST content available now (that many of the people who despise DISCO like more and are happy to have). It brought in a whole new generation of fans, broke the mould of 90s/00s ST in terms of format and style, and it was clearly successful hence lasting as long as it has.

The venom from some quarters gives me real flashbacks to the old days when ENT was launching. Fandoms never change..

In short though:

• Everything ST fans love about the new era of ST - they have Discovery to thank for it
• Everything ST fans hate about the new era of ST - they have Discovery to blame for it.

I think this is about as succinct and reasonable an assessment as I’ve seen.

 

[Mr J]

No because according to Mr J thanks to the succes of Discovery we got Picard and the other Trek shows

Not just according to me - that is literally how business works... none of the other ST content would exist if it wasn't for Discovery being a success to make it worth it.

 

[USS Firefly]

Not just according to me - that is literally how business works... none of the other ST content would exist if it wasn't for Discovery being a success to make it worth it.

I know, that is way I said that it meant the end of the Star Trek Litverse

 

[Uhura's Song]

DISCO does not deserve the hate it gets. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best ST ever? No. It did however bring ST back into the mainstream and that success is responsible for all the other new ST content available now (that many of the people who despise DISCO like more and are happy to have). It brought in a whole new generation of fans, broke the mould of 90s/00s ST in terms of format and style, and it was clearly successful hence lasting as long as it has.

The venom from some quarters gives me real flashbacks to the old days when ENT was launching. Fandoms never change..

In short though:

• Everything ST fans love about the new era of ST - they have Discovery to thank for it
• Everything ST fans hate about the new era of ST - they have Discovery to blame for it.

Amen.

I do not want this to turn into a post bashing those critical of DISCO. There are certainly legit criticisms: too EMO heavy during critical moments, gore, swearing, nudity, small universe syndrome, etc. But one also has to acknowledge the presence of the RWNJ cohort that just tries to kill shows with female/minority leads by downrating them. It is just a fact. The racism/misogony anti-woke stuff is real. In Star Wars fandom. And in Trek fandom (as if Trek has not been woke from jump).

I recently re-watched S1, which is my favorite season, and the last two episodes & the Mudd episode were better than I remembered. If I had to break it down:

Tier 1: Excellent
1. Context Is For Kings
2. Choose Your Pain
3. Magic To Make The Sanest Man Go Mad
4. Into The Forest I Go
5. The War Without, The War Within

Tier 2: Very Good
1. The Vulcan Hello
2. The Butcher's Knife Cares Not For The Lamb's Cry
3. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
4. Despite Yourself
5. The Wolf Inside
6. Will You Take My Hand?

Tier 3: Flawed but still Good
1. Battle at the Binary Stars
2. Lethe

Tier 4: Meh
1. Vaulting Ambition
2. What's Past Is Prologue

YMMV, of course.

Edit: SNW, Academy, and the S31 movie are all direct spinoffs. Picard, LD, & PRO are the results of it being successful.

After TOS & TNG, I think it is hard to argue DISCO is not the most impactful TV series of them all.

 

[Uhura's Song]

I must say, I think I enjoyed S1 more on rewatch. Particularly the last two episodes & The Mudd episode. Vaulting Ambition & What's Past Is Prologue were the low points for me.

Embarking in S2 now. Of which I really liked thru "If Memory Serves" and then absolutely disliked intensely the 2nd half.

Thru the first 4.

Brother: I enjoyed it more this time around. Good stuff.

New Eden. One of my favorite episodes of NuTrek, hands down.

Point of Light. Really liked the Amanda stuff. And the Tilly/Stamets stuff. The Klingon intrigue was also good. The Tilly/May stuff not as much.

An Obol for Charon. More of the same. The sphere solution and the Burnham/Saru stuff is fantastic. The Tilly/May/Reno/Stamets trippy stuff did not land for me. They are starting to get a little too cool for school in dangerous situations that kind of kill the suspense (like Anakin & Obi-Wan in the prequels). And Tilly is starting to edge too much into comic relief rather than sweet, smart, & insightful.

In my head, I always think the first half of S2 is my favorite DISCO, but IDK if that will hold. Thru 4 episodes, I think S1 has the edge, and E5-E9 are all good to excellent.

 

[Dar70]

It's the only show with Linus ergo it's the best.

I didn't totally hate it. There were some decent episodes but it's my least favorite out of all of Trek. Also I can name at a bunch of shows out during it's runs that I find much more enjoyable.....

 

[fireproof78]

No because according to Mr J thanks to the succes of Discovery we got Picard and the other Trek shows

Funny enough, a promo video shared recently states the same thing.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I didn't totally hate it. There were some decent episodes but it's my least favorite out of all of Trek. Also I can name at a bunch of shows out during it's runs that I find much more enjoyable.....

Probably everything you mentioned but I still think its the best series to actually develop a movie series because I think there's more to expand and explore with those characters.

 

[Lord Garth]

Probably everything you mentioned but I still think its the best series to actually develop a movie series because I think there's more to expand and explore with those characters.

If they can find a way to do this, I'll be all for it.

 

[Commander K]

Thank you Discovery for SNW, putting eyes back on trek after a TV hiatus, and introducing Saru.

Everything else was forgettable and cringeworthy generic cardboard sci-fi/superhero story. Michelle Paradise should have been hounded out of this show for her awful work. A different showrunner would have possibly salvaged this show.

 

[Commander K]

I am also not putting it past Paradise to stick Burnham in the Q continuum so she can appear anywhere anytime on any trek show

 

[Lord Garth]

I am also not putting it past Paradise to stick Burnham in the Q continuum so she can appear anywhere anytime on any trek show

You secretly want this to happen so you can say, "There!!! You see?!!" But, no. Sisko will remain the only Captain elevated to Godhood. Sorry.

And they're not going to have Q. At least not on this series. Maybe Legacy if it's greenlit.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Finished my S2 rewatch & am now into S3.

Saints of Imperfection. The most 'meh' episode of the season for me. I did not have an intense dislike of anything here, but the Network stuff did not land and them going about 5 minutes after Pike told them the ship was gonna be lost irked me.

The Sound of Thunder. Better with the return to Kaminar and the twist on the Kelpien past with the Ba'ul. Though Disco kinda blunders and is bailed out by the Red Angel before the Kelpiens are wiped out.

Light & Shadows. I loked the Spock storyline a lot but the Control/Squid probe not nearly as much.

If Memory Serves. A classic in my book. Best of the season along with New Eden. Fantastic Talos IV callback, a trip into the past of the Burnham/Spock relationship, and a very good take on Culber & Stamets post Lazarus.

Prject Daedalus. My first strong negative reaction episode of the series. Decent enough, good even, until the stuff with Nahn at the end. I mean, Burnham goes on for 5 minutes in a dilemna to off Ariam or not, but does not bother to help the suffocating Nahn at ANY point. Pike does not ask about her?

Red Angel was better than I remembered. Good to very good. So was Perpetual Infinity, which in my head I expected to be awful, but was not.

Throught the Valley of Shadow takes the Bronze on the season for me.

The plot stupidity in Such Sweet Sorrow just overrides everything for me. Though that mostly comes up in Part 2. So Part I is pretty enjoyable. But the stupidity of not just jumping far enough away so they can charge the suit befor Control gets there is overwhelming. Not to mention not sending for one of those repair bots to pull a lever to save Cornwell. Or take a shuttle to the Fed to ask for help (like Tyler does with the Klingons). Boy, those Kelpiens sure learned how to pilot Starships fast! And Burnham sure made a lot of jumps with a crystal that I thought could only jump once.

If you can get past all the plot stupidity, it is a tually OK. I cannot.