Discovery Episode Named One of TV's Best for 2017 by IndieWire

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by shivkala, Dec 8, 2017.

  1. Satron

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    What is it? Is my impression of Discovery fine or is it horse shit?

    It is a Star Trek show. I want Star Trek to be good. You can tone down the internet-grandstanding.
     
  2. Satron

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    Here? To show what I think professional critics focused on. As Star Trek fans we all know and expect diversity to be part of Star Trek. It is one of the positive aspects of all the Trek shows.
     
  3. Satron

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    We all like to express our opinions. It is kinda the point of an internet message board.

     
  4. fireproof78

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    Opinions are one thing. The constant negativity bothers me.

    As the saying goes, "Beware of unloving critics and uncritical lovers."
     
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  5. gblews

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    Yes, in this thread.
    Nonetheless, you were still the first and only poster to bring up diversity in this thread. I think you may have some resentment about the diversity in DSC and you are expressing that resentment through passive/agressive opinions like, 'critics like the show because they bought into the producers promotion of DSC's diversity' (paraphrasing).
     
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  6. Vger23

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    No, you want Star Trek to be what YOU want it to be. There's a big difference there.

    I'm not grandstanding, just challenging the wasteful futility of your approach. Sorry if I touched a nerve.
     
  7. Vger23

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    It's another of the many examples of rationalizing you see on here.

    "No, it can't possibly be good because I don't like it, so everyone who says it's good is wrong and/or being influenced or is obviously biased!!!"

    Or.....it's simply a matter of you not liking something most others do.
     
  8. starsuperion

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    Interesting the focus on diversity..yes. I think Star Trek has always been diverse, and anyone who says, it's about time this or that, is being ignorant of the history of the franchise. I can give a great example. Riker falls in love with an androgynous species that apparently can become male or female upon choice thru simple surgery. I assume their body is sort of maleable once a gender is chosen, a simple genetic addition of a Y or X chromosome can change their DNA structure to become a particular gender. Now, their love was ultimately doomed, but Riker was definitely on the cusp of being madly in love with a nonmale, nonfemale alien. If that's not the definition of gender, race, and species, along with transgender and intersex feelings that Riker became aware of, then the definition of diversity for some people is limited to skin..that's unfortunate. Also, to accuse someone of being the first to bring up the topic of "diversity" insinuating by that sentence of being against diversity as to cast a bigoted aspersion is quite nasty. You should at least apologize..I would.. That's like calling him a racist..or bigot, or sexist. By implication..it's obvious. We can all As mostly adults, discuss the topic of diversity in Star trek, along with its uses, it's triumphs, and the shady practice of using it as gimmicks, in a purely rational way.
     
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  9. Succubint

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    I think it's pretty obvious by the "virtue signalling" comment that Gblews made the correct assumption. I'd like to ask what is even wrong with trying to be more diverse and inclusive in representation on a show which has always been lauded as pushing the boundaries of social justice issues, anyway. Some people take offense at that, however, and try to imply that any such movement in that direction is too politically correct (whatever that means) and "forced". Next we'll be hearing about SJWs and feminist agendas. What's wrong with a show blatantly advertising that it's trying to be more representational? As a marketing strategy it might just work to draw in more viewers. Whether it succeeds in creating a lasting fan base or not, though, we'll just have to wait and see.

    My point is: what is wrong with virtue signalling? What is wrong with saying, hey, this show might be trying to appeal to those viewers who value more diversity, more representation, and more sensitivity towards current hot topic social issues?
     
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  10. zar

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    You're criticizing that there is too much focus on diversity by CBS marketing and critics and the writing is being ignored. Whether that is the same as "too much diversity in Disco" is a semantic nitpick I have no interest in engaging you on, but I wasn't putting words in your mouth and I don't think anyone was misled. The point is this is not true. The only one focusing on diversity is you.

    Really? Let's see then. If it were actually true that positive critics are mostly focused on diversity, it should be apparent. You've stated this, but you certainly haven't shown it. It seems this idea is something you constructed because you are focused on it and/or need an excuse to dismiss the majority.
     
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  11. zar

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    He was the first, which is a fact, not an accusation. No one should apologize for an "implication" just because you imagined it, for the same reason Satron wouldn't need to apologize for being "racist" just because someone accused him of such - which, by the way, no one did.

    The reason it's mentioned that he brought it up is because he claims that "the gaggle of professional critics" are blinded by it and that he "doesn't care" about it when in fact he and others like him seem to be the only "critics" actually talking about it.
     
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  12. starsuperion

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    Ah..my mistake, I should have went back further in the thread for more context. But yes, I have to disagree..some sentences can be used as insinuation and thereby cast aspersions on people even if the author doesn't agree, or intended to do so.
     
  13. Satron

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    “Everything you just said in that sentence is wrong,”
     
  14. Satron

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    Yes. I want it to be good. What you and I consider to be good differs.
     
  15. Satron

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    Nothing at all. It's Star Trek's bread and butter.
     
  16. Greg Cox

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    FYI: USA TODAY just named DISCO one of the year's 10 Best New Shows as well.
     
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    1,000 quatloos to anyone who can guess DSC’s position out of USA TODAY's 10 best new TV shows of 2017. :D
     
  18. Gul Sengosts

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    Threshold got an Emmy.
     
  19. Greg Cox

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    It was #10, but it's still good press.

    "A darker and more complex take on the beloved franchise, DISCOVERY was a risky move that paid of with each episode. After the CBS All Access series' bumpy start, the narrative and cast, led by the strong Sonequal Martin-Green, began to soar."
     
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