Discovery Episode Named One of TV's Best for 2017 by IndieWire

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by shivkala, Dec 8, 2017.

  1. zar

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  2. Rahul

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    Erm... yeah. It's in "a" top 5 list. Specifically the "families watching together"-list.

    Netflix doesn't generate a "general viewing number" list, but instead gives only gives some glimpses on the viewing habits of it's users. Considering DIS appears in NONE of the other "Top 10"-lists, you'd be hard pressed to think DIS is even in Netflix's top 10 in overall viewing numbers, let alone in the top 5.

    Just keeping the facts straight here, guys.
    The show is successfull enough to warrant a second season. No need to artificially exaggerate it's overall mainstream success.
     
  3. zar

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    Since DSC only released one episode per week, it would be unrealistic to expect it to appear in the other lists which are about shows watched every day. Its absence from them says nothing about its success, but its inclusion here says a lot.
     
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    Perhaps I should have been more clear in my statement.

    Thank you for the clarification.
     
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    Polls aren't a statistical list of what people actually watch Fireproof.
     
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    Those are just more fans, even though some of these fans are only being counted by their down votes against DSC on those websites. Sorta like you. ;)
    Really? What did that sentence mean?
     
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    No kidding. Netflix just posted a list of Top 5 binged shows. So, they likely have some data to reinforce that fact.
     
  8. zar

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    Surveys aren't statistics anymore. You heard it here first.
     
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    "Information is flawed and meaningless unless it says what I want it to say"
     
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  11. Satron

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    Exactly what it says. The promotion of the show relied heavily on the "look we are progressive and diverse" angle. Well, yeah, thank you very much. You are Star Trek, this is what I expect you to be.
    Given this stunning and brave progressive and diverse promotion any question of "but is it any good?" more often than not receives responses like this:
    Which is why much of the professional critique of the show often focuses only on the diversity of the cast of characters, seldom looking farther into whether the writing for these characters is good. I think DSC suffers from bad writing, with the notable exception of the episode Kirsten Beyer wrote, where the Burnham-Tyler/Voq relationship seemed believable.
     
  12. zar

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    Except it didn't. This was a common reaction by people who read a news article mentioning the black female lead, or watched the trailers and counted the number of white people and complained about it on the internet, which itself spurred more media attention to the subject (which was probably played up for drama to some extent), but the actual promotional material from CBS drew no attention to it in the first place.

    Most of the critiques I've seen hardly mention it. The ones that do are usually going at an angle similar to yours rather than praising it - criticizing it either because it's done too much (like you say), done not enough, or done wrong. And yes, they do ignore the writing, because actually looking into it wouldn't serve the points they're trying to make.
     
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    Those are fine, but we are talking about the "watched together" category and there's no reliable way to gather data on that.
     
  14. fireproof78

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    Yes, there really is. I work in an industry were my productivity is measured in how fast I entered data, how much time is taken, and on and on. The idea that there is "no way" for Netflix to determine that data in this and age is straining my suspension of disbelief
     
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    Rationalizing!
     
  16. Satron

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    "Played up" is the right way to put it. There are far too many people out there counting the number of characters with this skin color or that sexual orientation. These people are annoying as fuck.

    Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said there is too much diversity in Disco. I never said there is too little diversity in STD. I never said there is a perfectly fine balance of diversity in DSC. I just don't care about that aspect in a fictional sci-fi show. For me the important thing is a well written cast of characters and good stories. Discovery falls short in both those categories I care about.

    And these critiques focus on, IMO, on the wrong things in a fictional sci-fi show.
     
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    The good news is that the vast majority seem to disagree with you.

    So, the true conclusion is that the writing and development of the characters doesn't meet your tastes...and that's absolutely fine, because we're all individuals of varied taste. But saying it's "not well done" is horse shit.

    And if you dislike it so much, what is your motivation for putting such energy into it? It sure seems like you are hell-bent on spending a fair chunk of your day expressing your various (negative) opinions about it. Seems like a massive waste of time and energy to me.
     
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    I dislike the show, but it is asinine for some folks to try and claim it isn't a hit. It clearly is.
     
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    Yet, you were the first one to bring up the diversity issue in this thread.

    As the season has worn on, the diversity issue (with respect to the actors and production staff's public comments), has continued to diminish. Some folks around here continue to bring it up, however, for whatever reason. ;)
     
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    I often wonder this myself.

    But, hey, the discussions are entertaining, amiright? lol ;) (and other cliches inserted here)