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Discovery ending with Season 5

I tuned out of Discovery midway through season three. It didn’t turn my crank. Well, actually it did, initially. I enjoyed the first four episodes of season one, and then it just started going south. I tried, though, I really tried to stick it out.

I loved the concept of fleshing out the Klingons beyond a Viking monoculture. I loved the idea of a protagonist rising up from a place of disgrace, and having to introspect on the root causes of that disgrace. Michael Burnham was a fantastically conceived character, and was beautifully portrayed by Sonequa Martin-Green. I loved the concept of Saru, a being driven by fear. Ditto praise for Doug Jones. Same goes for Lorca. Same goes for Georgiou. Same goes for the groundbreaking representation. The cast had chemistry. I dug the design of the ship. The 70’s brutalist aesthetic works with Trek, in my opinion.

There have been lots of complaints registered about the quality of the writing on the show. Some justified, many meritless, but almost all vague and ill-defined. In my view, the writing in and of itself wasn’t *that* bad. Rather, it was the overarching structure of the seasonal format, forcing the writers to tick off mystery box clues & shoehorning in occasional un-earned beats of emotional development that was the show’s downfall. I believe the concept could have worked, and worked well had Brian Fuller been left in control and the original vision for the show executed. What we ended up with was a first season narratively improvised-on-the-fly. And a second season narratively improvised in reaction to poor audience reaction to the first season which was improvised-on-the-fly. And a third season where the production team gave up completely on the original, nuanced premise, and retooled the show as Seaquest 2032, I mean, Space Patrol in the 31st Century.

I gave up on the show when it abandoned its own premise. It continued to exist because there was a business imperative for it to exist, not an artistic one.

Discovery’s cast and crew deserved better. They deserved a chance to execute a coherent artistic and narrative concept. They deserved to be given the chance to try something different all the way, with no interference from the studio.
They deserved a working, locked script for a whole season before even getting in front of the cameras. Narrative arcs need to be planned. Plans need to be stuck to.

My only pleasure in this comes from hoping that, perhaps, the head honchos of Star Trek have realized that they just have to let each show breathe and be it’s own thing. But that’s a long hope.
 
What damage? Demonstrate how it has negatively impacted the franchise. There are groups feeling more represented, people who got in to Trek because of Discovery and even the toxic fan culture kept it in the public consciousness because people kept talking about it. Damage? My ass that was damaging.

It's called turning it off.

The stories and writing stunk. Canon was damaged. Nuff said.
 
The stories and writing stunk. Canon was damaged. Nuff said.

Canon was damaged? How on earth can canon be damaged? I’m not sure the term “canon” actually means what a lot of people seem to think it means.

You didn’t like the show. That’s your right. But why let it live rent free in your head? Why the whole “it must be destroyed and erased from existence” schtick? Why can’t you accept that a great many people did like it, and that it brought in new fans (I know several people who came to Trek via DSC) and successfully resuscitated a largely dead franchise?

And why am I even bothering to respond? Fandom is exhausting.
 
SNW could have been way better with visual Canon

Dude are you serious? All but the most hardcore fan would laugh and turn it off, they're trying to get new fans not alienate people.

If you mean what I think you mean that is, which is that everything should've looked as it did in the 60s.
 
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They're not wrong.

Sadly SNW does indeed carry some of the same Canon issues as well as that DAMN Turbolift funhouse.......
We haven't seen the inside of the turbolift system in Strange New Worlds. They changed the Engineering design from the Short Trek, so that's up in the air as well.

And what "canon issues"?
 
The stories and writing stunk. Canon was damaged. Nuff said.
As per usual this doesn't actually demonstrate damage. It just repeats the assertion.

Canon was damaged? How on earth can canon be damaged? I’m not sure the term “canon” actually means what a lot of people seem to think it means.

You didn’t like the show. That’s your right. But why let it live rent free in your head? Why the whole “it must be destroyed and erased from existence” schtick? Why can’t you accept that a great many people did like it, and that it brought in new fans (I know several people who came to Trek via DSC) and successfully resuscitated a largely dead franchise?

And why am I even bothering to respond? Fandom is exhausting.
That's exactly where I'm at.
 
Is there still much of a market for syndication? TNG-R didn’t make any money and that was a dozen years ago, so I’d be surprised if these streaming shows are even offered. I’d guess any money would be a bonus.

Maybe the US market is more robust, but in the UK the legacy Trek shows might get viewers measured in the hundreds if they are repeated on some obscure channel at the foot of the EPG. UK linear TV ratings have more or less collapsed in the past five years as everyone moves to streaming, except for a handful of big events.

Also keep in mind there are several episodes of Discovery whose runtime is a bit longer than the average hour-long drama. In order to fit that into a televised timeslot, it would require some hefty re-editing. What effect that would have on the episode plotlines, I have no idea.
 
There's one episode from the first season that's 37 minutes. Given the way TV is these days, stations would probably love that episode. "Look at how many more commercials we can stuff into this one!"
 
Also keep in mind there are several episodes of Discovery whose runtime is a bit longer than the average hour-long drama. In order to fit that into a televised timeslot, it would require some hefty re-editing. What effect that would have on the episode plotlines, I have no idea.
They edit everything today. The twilight zone episodes on the syfy channel are heavily edited. But for STD it won't matter with all the filler they can cut.
 
It was the most Trekkish thing ever. Alien altered by dilithium exposure causes dilithium to go inert through a psychic wave that travels through sub space, triggered by emotional loss.
That was when I gave up on STD.

Crying alien causing the burn? Yeah I want sci fi not emotional diaorreah.

The shark at that point was jumped for me.

I know a few others who at that point though WTF! And switched off and didn't return for series 4.
 
At the end of the day, I wanted seven seasons and the haters wanted zero seasons. Neither of us got what we wanted, but Disco lasted five seasons, so I got closer to what I wanted than the "STD Sucks!" Crowd.
 
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