some people are just using this as a way to lash out at one or the other.
Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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some people are just using this as a way to lash out at one or the other.
What credit am I giving them? They've written the Klingons as one-dimensional terrorist caricatures without any redeeming qualities. They've given us a mutineer, a captain that executed his crew, torture of a sentient life form, eating of a human captain...
Ed Mercer just executed a bunch of Krill in probably the most heinous way I've seen on sci-fi TV. He doesn't seem to have an issue using all the tools at his disposal to get the job done.
Agreed about the first part, not seeing what's wrong with the others.
yes we get it. your two pet peeves are the reason the entire show and group of writers are void of any and all creativity what so ever. none, zero, zip.
ill remember how three dimensional the Krill are next time i watch and try not to remember that they are simply stereotypes of modern day religious extremists.
It is that there is no joy or fun or sense of whimsy to what we are presented with. It is all very dark and edgy, pretty much what every other drama on TV is doing.
For all the flaws The Next Generation has, they didn't take the easy path by having the crew at each others throats and fighting wars non-stop. It is tough to play with those kinds of restrictions and be successful at it.
And the Klingons aren't?
I think that's an exaggeration. It's darker than most of Trek, but it's not at the level of BSG. Tilly and Mudd have provided the much needed relief for me.
Shit, I just realised I never finished that last episode.
never said they werent.
Sorry, didn't mean to spoil the episode.
The first two or three were hit-or-miss for me. But it comes together much better about the fourth episode. If the comedy doesn't put you off entirely, it's worth sticking it out, IMO.
Not to mention that it would be Gordon and John doing the actual flying and shooting, and in an us-or-them situation, they'd be pretty motivated.
That's one-sided, you know it... so incredibly cheap and low to mention 'torture of a sentient life form' but conveniently NOT mention that two episodes were spent on the moral dilemma and the ultimate rescue of the creature.... that's exactly the lack of credit I was talking about but it is so obvious you have little or no interest in a fair discussion...
No it's not, but you're probably never going to change your opinion, no matter how DSC progresses.
They still tortured it. One of them wanted to cut off its limbs to study the creature. Saru didn't care if they went on torturing it as long as the spore drive was working when it needed to.
There is also the sheer ridiculousness of neither character getting "found out" in the episode where they bungle around like idiots doing their best not to pretend to be Krill.
It seems to me in both shows, Discovery and Orville that the ability to "do whatever it takes" requires writing around obstacles in the most ridiculous and unrealistic fashion so as to let the resolution happen.
I mean anyone can do whatever it takes in a world where writers don't pull their own leashes a little bit.
What's your point? At the same time there were people who didn't agree with it and fought for the creature's well being. It created better drama because of it. And in the end Saru made the right call. You're just trying to justify your negativity, while in fact the show resolved it very nicely, humane and in a Trek fashion. But you just don't want to see it that way, in your mind DSC is just a show where 'they wanna cut of an innocent creature's limbs'...
In classic Trek fashion, a moral conundrum was presented and a choice had to be made to save lives, against the idealism among a couple crew members, and when push came to shove one crew member risked his own life to satisfy both.
It truly is a great episode and a good concept.
At the end of the day, haters gonna hate
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