Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Jedi_Master, May 18, 2017.

  1. Jedi_Master

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    I have spent some (too much) time reading through reactions to the Discovery trailer, and I have noticed more than a few reactions that are, in essence "I am really looking forward to The Orville, I'm not all that excited about ST: Discovery."

    As these thoughts are coming from people who are ostensibly Star Trek fans, I have found their reaction worth speculating about, and here's the heart of what I think is motivating them: The Orville looks and feels like TNG.

    Although many of those who complain about the look and feel of the Kelvin - era films express a desire to see a return to the aesthetics of The Original Series, most of them grew up watching the Berman era Trek series - TNG, DS9, VOY. Those series had a very distinctive and repetitive look and lighting. TNG in particular had flat, almost even lighting in virtually every interior shot, a sort of bland uniform with little variation, and a particular design aesthetic (curves, soft angles, sweeping angles, pastels/creams) that wasn't varied much. DS9 made some changes (varied lighting levels, more angular designs) but most of the onboard ship shots were very close to either the "somber/serious" lighting levels or the "regular" lighting levels pioneered by TNG. Voyager maintained a similar lighting structure as DS9 and TNG, and didn't vary much on the design cues set by both series.

    That look and design aesthetic is VERY familiar to a certain age bracket of Trek fans, and without fully realizing it, that the is the "real Trek" they want and when they don't get it, it bugs them.
    The Orville looks like it took almost every single TNG cue and expanded on it - the lighting, the costumes, the alien makeup, everything is a homage to TNG.

    ST: Discovery, on the other hand, really seems to take most of it's cues from ENT and the Kelvin era films.

    So at the heart of this whole issue is that Seth has made a show that triggers the happy nostalgia button in most folks close to my age (mid -30's) and that warm fuzzy feeling is what is making them choose a spoof comedy over actual Star Trek.
     
  2. CommanderRaytas

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    I think you might be on to something. However, it might be something else, too: The Orville is a (seemingly affectionate) parody show that isn't the future of the Trek franchise on tv. DSC is the official thing, so we really, really need it to be good. If MacFarlane's show fails (and I liked the trailer even though I positively loathe pretty much everything he does), that'll mean nothing to any of us. There are no stakes. If DSC fails, however, that's bound to have repercussions for the ST franchise as a whole. That's why reactions are less tense to MacFarlane, I think.

    Of course, I'm not saying that is the only explanation that is true forever and applies to all. People will prefer one show (show's trailer) over the other for a number of reasons.
     
  3. Jedi_Master

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    Obviously there are many reasons why one trailer (or show) would be more appealing than another, but the visceral reactions to snippets of a new show are rather telling, in my opinion.
     
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    You weren't around then, but before ST 09 came out, we had a bit of a meltdown here over one badly lit shot of a corridor from the film's set (there was nothing else to go on). Just to give you an idea. The whole franchise was depending on that movie being successful, and we were all afraid it'd be just a Battlestar Galactica rip-off, all dark and gritty and shit. It's about the same thing, now. We're a bit nervous the show might end up sucking. I'm optimistic, though.
     
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    I thought this was going to be a detailed analysis with graphs and stuff on which ship would win in a fight.

    Disappointed.
     
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    I'm really looking forward to both. Either could be amazing or terrible.
     
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    If Star Trek is to compete in the marketplace of ideas, then the nostalgia feelings are going to have to take a back seat. That's why I'm excited for Orville and DSC because they will satisfy two different facets of my entertainment and enjoyment. Orville can have some fun with the tropes and cliches of Star Trek from the past, while DSC (hopefully) will look at exploring new and exciting facets of the Trek universe.

    In either case, one's success is not capitalizing on the other's failure. They both could be good.
     
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    Thought it was a strange coincidence that the Dsc trailer comes out one day after the trailer for Orville (a show I knew nothing about). I saw the Orville short and thought it looked pretty good compared to anything I've seen from Dsc so far. Wonder if the suits at CBS thought so too and let the Dsc short go right out.
     
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    I have a feeling its more in anticipation of the fall release for both shows.
     
  10. dodge

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    All the US TV networks are doing their presentations for next TV season this week, the trailers dropped to coincide with them. FOX was a few days ago, CBS was yesterday.
     
  11. Jedi_Master

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    Oh. It's coming. Don't worry.
     
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    Nostalgia is a powerful marketplace motivator, especially now that my generation has steady jobs and money - and more importantly has creative supervision of large scale projects.
    Lot's and lots of 80's themed stuff is making its way into entertainment.
     
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    I am looking forward to both. The positive reaction to the Orville and the negative reaction to the Discovery trailer has me thoroughly convinced that there is a portion of the fan base stuck in the 1990s..or even the 1960s.
     
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    I want both shows to be good and am full of hope, and this is coming from a person who most of the time wants to beat Seth MacFarlane to death with a VHS cassette of Family Guy.
     
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    I'm looking forward to both for the aforementioned reasons: brand-new Trek from DSC, and warm, fuzzy nostalgia from The Orville.
     
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    Also, The Orville has an anti-banana ray.
     
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    Negative reaction? I haven't seen that. I've seen a few people raising complaints and criticism, but at worst i'd say the reaction has been "mixed" to Discovery so far.
     
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    The irony is that The Orville is Galaxy Quest type of a (lovable) parody. Including the look. And that people actually would prefer a Trek show to look like that in this day and age is hilarious to me.
     
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    Whatever you do, don't go on Youtube.

    As for The Orville trailer, I quite liked it. I generally can't stand anything McFarlane does. . .his sense of humour is beyond juvenile, even by my standards, and he has an unfortunate propensity to drag a joke out long past the point where it died a death, but having seen him on talk shows, he comes across as decent man, so I'll be giving The Orville a watch. I suspect it'll be on Fox long before STD appears on CBS No Action.
     
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    As someone on YouTube called it: Galaxy Quest - The Series. I agree that MacFarlane's sense of humour is very infuriating and juvenile, but that this trailer looks good.