Exactly.
Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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ST: D wasn't attempt to attract GoT or WD fans specifically. Just new fans. And BTW - some of McFarlane's fan base isn't happy the Orville isn't more of a comedy/parody - while man of them think it's fine.
Goddamn it, that writer nails everything that's wrong with trying to keep Star Trek alive on TV now - and just about exactly predicted what Discovery would turn out to be.
Well done...sadly, well done.
It is, however, being done in precisely the way that the producers, or more likely the studio executives overseeing the project, think mimics "preminum off-network drama" like Game of Thrones and Westworld - and it suffers from all the shortcomings that the Stargate producers stumbled over when they tried to "grow the show up" by creating Stargate Universe: basically, they ain't got game.
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I disagree; but won't waste my breath. For example, I did like Westworld; but the story twist was VERY telegraphed - as to who the 'Black Hat Cowboy' was; and I wasn't impressed with the 'Rouge A.I. that isn't really rogue' trope either (although I did find it more interesting.
I get it - ST: D isn't a version of Star trek you find enjoyable; but writing wise, yes, it's on the level of GoT and WD (and I find it more enjoyable then the last seasons of either of those shows.)
I mean hell, when it comes to GoT - I think Dynerys was feeding her Dragons 'Discovery' mushrooms as that's the only way they could get to and do some of the things they did this past season.
YMMV.
Though I get the point of the article I have to strongly disagree.
It's only as out of date as the writing is good or bad.
In spite of the over-ensationalized negativity about the show, the writing is very solid, and it's doing exactly what it needs to, not ripping people's ideas of "classic" trek and not chasing the nostalgia tail. It's making a solid serialized story that resonates with people in today's day and age. This show is going to be a success. I believe it already is.
It was certainly promoted specifically as "Star Trek meets GoT" or phrases to that effect in the year or so leading up to the premiere. I remember hearing that a few times, including from Fuller.
Are you serial?!?!
It is a success by the modern definition, but still not watched by anywhere near the number of people that watched TOS and TNG.
True,
But so many people watched TNG, that'd be really hard to top.
I don't think it ever had a chance to compete with that.
Yeah, I'm pretty serial, The number though not the breakfast.
To me, the best part about tv and film is discussing it, even more so when people agree. Not everyone likes or can handle a good disagreement. I'm glad you disagree, and glad you're polite about it.
I haven't seen GoT or Westworld so I can't comment on how STD compares to those, but I assume from all the effusive praise that they're generally well written. Discovery is not. I personally don't need it to be, but if anyone thinks this show is going to be winning Emmys for anything but production values they're sorely mistaken*.
*Watch the show sweep the Emmys next year, just to piss me off.
There's pretty much no show on TV right now that is watched by as many people as that watched TOS or TNG.
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In fairness, TNG, DS9 and VOY won emmy's for sound mixing, makeup and costumes but never for their writing, so i guess it would just be keeping the tradition alive.
In fairness, TNG, DS9 and VOY won emmy's for sound mixing, makeup and costumes but never for their writing, so i guess it would just be keeping the tradition alive.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
Discovery is written on the level of a CW show like Supergirl or Valor; it is tragically Broadcast TV Average. I understand that it's a version of Star Trek that you enjoy, but you can't just will it into excellence.
Be glad that CBS knew what they were doing and put it on a service where it can be sustained by a few million households. I'm sure it will run for as many years as the corporation requires.
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Saying it doesn't make it so.
I quite agree. It goes for a majority of your posts as well.
Supergirl is horribly written...
Saying it doesn't make it so.
Discovery is written on the level of a CW show like Supergirl or Valor; it is tragically Broadcast TV Average. I understand that it's a version of Star Trek that you enjoy, but you can't just will it into excellence.
Be glad that CBS knew what they were doing and put it on a service where it can be sustained by a few million households. I'm sure it will run for as many years as the corporation requires.
Literally every episode has enough plot holes to drive the Enterprise through.
Just wait until the Star Trek/Supergirl crossover
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