I meant quality wise, not in terms of brand association
Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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I meant quality wise, not in terms of brand association
It's become the standard acronym, regardless of whether someone likes or dislikes the show, join the cool crowd. "DISCO" is not going to stick.
I've given the last episode a pretty high rating.
I was underwhelmed when TNG debuted and never completely warmed up to it. I never felt it "wasn't Trek", though. It fit into canon alright. It didn't have literal windows on the bridge or Star Wars holograms or any of that nonsense. It's just that it was too dull most of the time.
So I really think the division back in the day is not at all the same flavor of what we have now. The degree of meddling that has been done with the Trek franchise from JJ onward reflects a perception that Trek is in some way outmoded, stale, or broken and needs fixing. Despite his involvement, Discovery is guilty of changing the shape of the bottle rather than just pouring in a new vintage (as Nick Meyer explained in criticizing JJ Trek).
The Orville is a revivalist reaction against the idea that Trek needed "fixing". It's just that since Seth doesn't have the rights to Trek, he's on thin ice.
No, "DSC" is what's used. It's what's used on Memory Alpha. I don't see anyone outside of this forum using "STD".
TNG was Star Trek for the 80s just as DSC is Star Trek for 2017. They both have changed just as much. The difference is TNG was placed in the future so maybe people could justify more of the changes (with that said there is a lot of precedence for visual updates in Star Trek history). But there was a lot of hate for TNG until TNG made enough new fans to drown out all of the haters. TNG was completely different than TOS. Picard was even the exact opposite of Kirk.
I hope not. I'd be fine with three or four seasons, then it riding off into the sunset. I don't need another "franchise".
Me think you do protest a bit much. Either you really like it and are embarrassed by that, or you don't have much faith in what Discovery is.
False. I just heard some people talk about STD by the water cooler.
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Do you really think they would sue? Besides Fox doing this completely legally, and probably have discussed it with CBS/Paramount either as a courtesy, or possibly an agreement, besides all that, wouldn't the negative publicity be worse than the alleged "damages" that they might hypothetically sue over?
It is not. It's a professional production, with a legal studio, distribution, and producers/cast/crew are professionals and members of the guilds. Even the best made fan films have none of this. Also, if it was a fan film, it would be called "Star Trek." If it was a parody, it would also be called "Star Trek." And if it was a porn parody, it would be called "The Oh'ville"
Isn't that odd? I'm seeing that used almost exclusively, by those who praise it, like it, hate it, or don't know it. I just spell out the word. It's better for everyone that way.
I've watched every episode besides the pilot and part of the 2nd, on FoxNow, on an android device.
Yeah, I have a warm fuzzy, happy anticipation when I'm about to watch Orville. I haven't had that in a long time...but then again, I haven't watched TV in many moons.
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What would the downside to another franchise be?
If that was joke...
They could use that on Orville, in a meta sort of way.
Once something becomes a franchise, it seems that much of the desire to challenge the status quo dissipates. Then you have the balkanization of the fan base. Pissing matches over every difference between the various incarnations.
All I can say is I get excited before I watch a new episode of either series.
I am proud to have an STD called discovery.
STD--a discovery you never wanna make!
The latter is easy to come by honestly.
The Orville is my upper. Discovery is my downer. I prefer the upper but I gotta have both. 
I did not read the whole discussion, but what caught my eye were the first comments regarding lighting. I think this is a superficial observation. In fact, DS9 had different lighting to that of TOS, TNG and VOY.
Star Trek feels like Star Trek when it addresses larger topics. Think about how Trek was positioned - boldly go where no man has gone before, explore the galaxy, save Bajora from Cardassians. These were all big things.
And look what Discovery is about? Focused on one person, at least so far. Yes, there is war, but it is not a noble mission, it is a war, sparkled accidentally - and now it is all about survival.
And not that this is new. DS9 already went there and no Klingon war is going to be bigger than the Dominion. Federation was already on the brink of destruction, I am not sure I want to see this again.
Also, Dominion was a more existential threat. This? Just some warrior race, while strong - is a "normal" enemy.
So, I think there are deeper reasons why Discovery does not have Star Trek feel - because it is not. It does not see the world through the Trek vision. It seems to be a well written and shot sci-fi series. Only it has nothing to do with Star Trek.
Star Trek feels like Star Trek when it addresses larger topics. Think about how Trek was positioned - boldly go where no man has gone before, explore the galaxy, save Bajora from Cardassians. These were all big things.
And look what Discovery is about? Focused on one person, at least so far. Yes, there is war, but it is not a noble mission, it is a war, sparkled accidentally - and now it is all about survival.
And not that this is new. DS9 already went there and no Klingon war is going to be bigger than the Dominion. Federation was already on the brink of destruction, I am not sure I want to see this again.
Also, Dominion was a more existential threat. This? Just some warrior race, while strong - is a "normal" enemy.
So, I think there are deeper reasons why Discovery does not have Star Trek feel - because it is not. It does not see the world through the Trek vision. It seems to be a well written and shot sci-fi series. Only it has nothing to do with Star Trek.
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How is McFarland on thin ice? He is working hard to craft something that acknowledges Star Trek,
Agreed. Let it be its own thing.
Same could be said about TWOK.
Fox loves that guy, he'd have to flop hard to be on thin Ice.
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