Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

[CommanderRaytas]

But he stole from a very specific Supernatural episode and made that dumb fucking Ted movie. As a Supernatural fangirl, that pisses me off. Also, I just don't think his humour is funny.

 

[fireproof78]

But he stole from a very specific Supernatural episode and made that dumb fucking Ted movie. As a Supernatural fangirl, that pisses me off. Also, I just don't think his humour is funny.

I generally don't, either, but I think Orville is right in his personal interest and I think might have a different flavor of humor.

 

[ELURIA]

But he stole from a very specific Supernatural episode and made that dumb fucking Ted movie. As a Supernatural fangirl, that pisses me off. Also, I just don't think his humour is funny.

I had no idea Supernatural had done Ted before Ted

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I think the Orville looks fine, too, and I'm willing to like it despite MacFarlane.

Yes, SPN did an episode with basically the exact same premise, only earlier. There is no way, no way MacFarlane came up with something identical on his own (didn't credit it, either, to my knowledge). It's way too specific.

 

[fireproof78]

I think the Orville looks fine, too, and I'm willing to like it despite MacFarlane.

Yes, SPN did an episode with basically the exact same premise, only earlier. There is no way, no way MacFarlane came up with something identical on his own (didn't credit it, either, to my knowledge). It's way too specific.

Unfortunately, all to common in Hollywood.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Well, ain't that the truth.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, ain't that the truth.

And Star Trek is no more immune to this than any other property.

Also, as a note, unrelated, your signature line would improve greatly, in my opinion, if it said, "It was a nice day in Maine..."

 

[CommanderRaytas]

True, true, true. The tragic part? I STOLE THE LINE FROM SOMEONE AND CAN'T REMEMBER WHO!

OH YE GODS, I HAVE TURNED INTO SETH MACFARLANE!!!! * thunderclap *





Maybe I'll include Maine in my signature. Raise your glasses to whoever actually came up with this line.

 

[Four Lights]

That look and design aesthetic is VERY familiar to a certain age bracket of Trek fans, and without fully realizing it, that the is the "real Trek" they want and when they don't get it, it bugs them.
The Orville looks like it took almost every single TNG cue and expanded on it - the lighting, the costumes, the alien makeup, everything is a homage to TNG.

ST: Discovery, on the other hand, really seems to take most of it's cues from ENT and the Kelvin era films.

So at the heart of this whole issue is that Seth has made a show that triggers the happy nostalgia button in most folks close to my age (mid -30's) and that warm fuzzy feeling is what is making them choose a spoof comedy over actual Star Trek.

I agree with what you're saying and can see where Seth is coming from. I've watched interviews with him in the past where he said one of the things that made TNG work for him was that the Enterprise seemed a bright, pleasant place. Something we might design in the future as a plausible environment for long term space exploration.

Speaking personally for me, the bright lights and pastel tones help make the show and ship feel like you could use them it to tell those more hopeful, nicer and touching stories. It was subconsciously harder to buy into ideas like that on DS9, VOY and ENT, as everything always just looked grey and militaristic the whole time.

Maybe I'm over analysing though? I dunno?
That's just how I felt about TNG as a kid.

 

[fireproof78]

TNG never felt plausible to me, but it was fun.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

But he stole from a very specific Supernatural episode and made that dumb fucking Ted movie. As a Supernatural fangirl, that pisses me off.

Sentient teddy bear stories have been around nearly as long as teddy bears themselves.
http://theweek.com/articles/562931/humanitys-long-strange-fixation-talking-teddy-bears

 

[F. King Daniel]

Hey, remember this whole Star Trek thing is just a rip-off of Forbidden Planet!

 

[Mudd]

Yes, expectations can really stand in your way if they're unrealistic.

You have summarized all of fandom.

 

[Greg Cox]

Hey, remember this whole Star Trek thing is just a rip-off of Forbidden Planet!

Which was based on Shakespeare's "The Tempest."

 

[Captain Indecisive]

I think you might be on to something. However, it might be something else, too: The Orville is a (seemingly affectionate) parody show that isn't the future of the Trek franchise on tv. DSC is the official thing, so we really, really need it to be good. If MacFarlane's show fails (and I liked the trailer even though I positively loathe pretty much everything he does), that'll mean nothing to any of us. There are no stakes. If DSC fails, however, that's bound to have repercussions for the ST franchise as a whole. That's why reactions are less tense to MacFarlane, I think.

Of course, I'm not saying that is the only explanation that is true forever and applies to all. People will prefer one show (show's trailer) over the other for a number of reasons.

Same here. I didn't actually know it was a McFarlane project before watching the tailer or I'd have given it a pass, but it does look funny.

 

[Mudd]

Everyone in Hollywood is a plagiarist.

True enough.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Which was based on Shakespeare's "The Tempest."

Which was based on "A True Reportory of the Wracke and Redemption of Sir Thomas Gates, Knight".

 

[Jono]

I'll be giving the show a look. I've been missing a more comedic sci-fi show since Eureka and Warehouse 13 ended.

 

[Greg Cox]

I'll be giving the show a look. I've been missing a more comedic sci-fi show since Eureka and Warehouse 13 ended.

Have you checked out THE LIBRARIANS?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Have you checked out THE LIBRARIANS?

Verging on a pun.