Did You Like the Trailer?
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Ditto. It's a song from my youth and I turned 36 on Wednesday. It's not like they're going for the Hunger Games demographic there.
And the teaser trailer for STVI:TUC showed absolutely nothing of the movie; it just showed clips from past Trek in order to tease the viewer about what was coming. That's what teasers do, and this is also a teaser.
The theatrical trailer will be different.
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Oh absolutely.
Any more recent music would not fit the time frame, given the fact that the Eugenics Wars probably stopped many cultural and musical developments.
Oh well. I enjoyed the trailer well enough. Had one of my favorite moments in it, so well worth it.
I like it and I believe I will like the movie.
A fine first nibble of what's to come. Just enough info to finally appease my appetite to know something about the film, without giving too much away to soon. With a few things to now be considering, the wait for the full trailer will be more bearable.
A fine first nibble of what's to come. Just enough info to finally appease my appetite to know something about the film, without giving too much away to soon. With a few things to now be considering, the wait for the full trailer will be more bearable.
It doesn't? I thought it revealed too much.
The Federation has been expanding too fast, accepting worlds, starting colonies or otherwise. They have reached the edge of the Dominion-esque Swarm that is unhappy with this expansion. I suppose much like the real world, the peaceful expansion of the Federation was seen by many as an act of aggression, and the actions of the likes of Admiral Marcus didn't help – there may even be a larger commentary on the real world in there. But whaever.
When our flagship ventures exploring far into deep space, perhaps even Swam-claimed territory, that crosses the line and... “the frontier pushes back”. The entire crew is taken on one of their worlds, the Enterprise is destroyed completely (not necessary in that order). They are paraded in front of the general public (I'd venture to guess they are presented as spies, an invasion force or something equally ridiculous), which is supposed to mark the end of the expansion of the Federation. Our senior officers manage to escape and become fugitives, trying to find an escape plan. There, they meet and team up with a local woman who isn't happy with the powers on their side of said frontier. Their mission – get off the planet, perhaps help Jaylah on their way.
Wild speculation: Given that the Federation president is in the film, and knowing Kirk, I don't doubt for a moment that something he did, that didn't go quite in accord with Federation policy, made matters worse. It may have something to do with the malevolence of the unknown force they are facing, and may be the reason they found a friend there. Regardless of the reason, I think it is a safe bet that the Enterprise crew is not the only one at stake here – Jaylah and her people also have a big problem with the Swarm, or the Swarm's leadership. (Unless Jaylah's Federation.)
Wild speculation 2: The planet could be Jaylah's homeworld that's been just invaded by the Swarm. Kirk's putting his nose into the ongoing invasion may have triggered the attack on the Enterprise. The government buildings are where the newly-installed Swarm government is, and our people are paraded in front of the just-invaded world as a demonstration that the Swarm won't let anyone challenge them.
Very disturbing speculation 3: Federation president makes peace with the Swarm, which is what saves the crew, and basically legitimises them (sorry Jaylah).
Spec 4: I've likened the rocks to those on Galileo Seven, and even though there they had to escape under even worse prospects, I'd make a wager that Spock does something crazy here.
Regardless of details, the plot is escaping a planet with no ship and the rest of the crew in custody. That's certainly more than I wish to know.
When our flagship ventures exploring far into deep space, perhaps even Swam-claimed territory, that crosses the line and... “the frontier pushes back”. The entire crew is taken on one of their worlds, the Enterprise is destroyed completely (not necessary in that order). They are paraded in front of the general public (I'd venture to guess they are presented as spies, an invasion force or something equally ridiculous), which is supposed to mark the end of the expansion of the Federation. Our senior officers manage to escape and become fugitives, trying to find an escape plan. There, they meet and team up with a local woman who isn't happy with the powers on their side of said frontier. Their mission – get off the planet, perhaps help Jaylah on their way.
Wild speculation: Given that the Federation president is in the film, and knowing Kirk, I don't doubt for a moment that something he did, that didn't go quite in accord with Federation policy, made matters worse. It may have something to do with the malevolence of the unknown force they are facing, and may be the reason they found a friend there. Regardless of the reason, I think it is a safe bet that the Enterprise crew is not the only one at stake here – Jaylah and her people also have a big problem with the Swarm, or the Swarm's leadership. (Unless Jaylah's Federation.)
Wild speculation 2: The planet could be Jaylah's homeworld that's been just invaded by the Swarm. Kirk's putting his nose into the ongoing invasion may have triggered the attack on the Enterprise. The government buildings are where the newly-installed Swarm government is, and our people are paraded in front of the just-invaded world as a demonstration that the Swarm won't let anyone challenge them.
Very disturbing speculation 3: Federation president makes peace with the Swarm, which is what saves the crew, and basically legitimises them (sorry Jaylah).
Spec 4: I've likened the rocks to those on Galileo Seven, and even though there they had to escape under even worse prospects, I'd make a wager that Spock does something crazy here.
Regardless of details, the plot is escaping a planet with no ship and the rest of the crew in custody. That's certainly more than I wish to know.
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It revealed nothing on first viewing - aside from this one being planet bound that is. More can be discerned on repeated viewings and through screenshots and freeze frames and all that malarky. Heck, some people here seem to be reconstructing the entire film from the teaser! The reality is that a typical teaser is for the mass audience and the mass audience ain't for watching teasers multiple times or pouring over freeze frames. The teaser needs to tantalise in one blitz or it hasn't worked.
And it being planet bound may thrill the fan but it's not enough to engage the mass audience really. Afterall, it's not the first fast paced sci fi to be set on a planet.
And it being planet bound may thrill the fan but it's not enough to engage the mass audience really. Afterall, it's not the first fast paced sci fi to be set on a planet.
Why? I think the mass audience wants to be entertained, whether it be on a planet or in space. And the Enterprise is a pretty confining location to set a two-hour film on. As we found out in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
I know right? Imagine the outrage if they'd played something even older, like AC \ DC or Black Sabbath. The audience probably would've walked out in disgust like they did with Iron Man.
I liked the trailer and believe I will like the movie. Of course, I said the same thing in April. 
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Yeah, I won't pretend I'm not amped up to see the film. For me, it really could have been Kirk and Spock standing in an empty room talking about what they had for lunch, and I'd still want to see the film. 
I didn't really love the trailer. Could have been better, don't like the similarities to Guardians of the Galaxy and Fast & Furious, but I'll remain open to seeing it. I still think it can, not only be a great action film, but a great Trek film, kind of like '09.
The thing is, I don't think the trailer really appealed to any sort of large audience.
Obviously, a lot of hardcore Trekkies won't like it, then a lot of the common moviegoers will instantly strike it off their list because it has that icky Star Trek nerd stigma attached to it.
The ones remaining are people like my friend. He's never seen an episode or movie of Star Trek, but still open-minded to actually watching one sometime, yet he said he hated the trailer, and won't go see it because "they're not respecting what makes Trek.. Trek". That's the issue. In this age of internet and social media and everything spreading like wild fire, people will be more educated on films and will have their opinions skewered by the loud-mouthed hardcore fans who are willing to spread their opinions. With all the YouTube reviewers and internet critics, it seems everyone is a critic who knows everything about every movie. He's never watched a second of Trek, yet he knows that the new films are largely different from all of the Trek we've seen pre-2009. That's not good.
Paramount need to stop trying to target everyone. Like it or not, Trek will never be this big money blockbuster action franchise like Star Wars or Fast & Furious that appeals to everyone. People won't just drop everything and run to the midnight showing of Star Trek Beyond because they see "oh look, it's the Beastie Boys" or "oh look, he's on a motorbike, so much action!", not in this day and age anyway.
Marvel have went and basically said "fuck everyone else, were making movies for comic book fans, and if you don't like it, you can go somewhere else". And guess what, they're fucking rich now. I'm not saying Trek will ever reach the heights of Marvel, we probably won't see a Trek movie hitting $1 billion in the box office for a long time, but we can still learn from them. Make movies and shows for your LOYAL FANS, and the rest will come. Not saying there aren't loyal fans who like the new films, sure, there's many, but they are still very polarizing films for sure. Make it for the fans, and with positive feedback, more will come. Casual audiences will want to go see it because they hear how great it is on Twitter and YouTube and other internet sites. Who would have thought Game of Thrones would be the most popular show on television ten years ago? Thanks social media.
We can argue all day long about how good or bad the NuTrek films are, but I'm just saying, I'd rather have a movie that appeals to all Trek fans than one that appeals to some Trek fans and some casual moviegoers. Paramount should too.
EDIT: That last line made me sound like a real boastful prick. I'm not smarter than Paramount, obviously, they probably know best how to work a business of that magnitude, but I'm just telling it how I see it. The original formula worked for decades, why not keep with it! Bad movies killed Trek in the box office, not Trekky movies.
The thing is, I don't think the trailer really appealed to any sort of large audience.
Obviously, a lot of hardcore Trekkies won't like it, then a lot of the common moviegoers will instantly strike it off their list because it has that icky Star Trek nerd stigma attached to it.
The ones remaining are people like my friend. He's never seen an episode or movie of Star Trek, but still open-minded to actually watching one sometime, yet he said he hated the trailer, and won't go see it because "they're not respecting what makes Trek.. Trek". That's the issue. In this age of internet and social media and everything spreading like wild fire, people will be more educated on films and will have their opinions skewered by the loud-mouthed hardcore fans who are willing to spread their opinions. With all the YouTube reviewers and internet critics, it seems everyone is a critic who knows everything about every movie. He's never watched a second of Trek, yet he knows that the new films are largely different from all of the Trek we've seen pre-2009. That's not good.
Paramount need to stop trying to target everyone. Like it or not, Trek will never be this big money blockbuster action franchise like Star Wars or Fast & Furious that appeals to everyone. People won't just drop everything and run to the midnight showing of Star Trek Beyond because they see "oh look, it's the Beastie Boys" or "oh look, he's on a motorbike, so much action!", not in this day and age anyway.
Marvel have went and basically said "fuck everyone else, were making movies for comic book fans, and if you don't like it, you can go somewhere else". And guess what, they're fucking rich now. I'm not saying Trek will ever reach the heights of Marvel, we probably won't see a Trek movie hitting $1 billion in the box office for a long time, but we can still learn from them. Make movies and shows for your LOYAL FANS, and the rest will come. Not saying there aren't loyal fans who like the new films, sure, there's many, but they are still very polarizing films for sure. Make it for the fans, and with positive feedback, more will come. Casual audiences will want to go see it because they hear how great it is on Twitter and YouTube and other internet sites. Who would have thought Game of Thrones would be the most popular show on television ten years ago? Thanks social media.
We can argue all day long about how good or bad the NuTrek films are, but I'm just saying, I'd rather have a movie that appeals to all Trek fans than one that appeals to some Trek fans and some casual moviegoers. Paramount should too.
EDIT: That last line made me sound like a real boastful prick. I'm not smarter than Paramount, obviously, they probably know best how to work a business of that magnitude, but I'm just telling it how I see it. The original formula worked for decades, why not keep with it! Bad movies killed Trek in the box office, not Trekky movies.
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Someone probably already brought it up, but I recall the trailers for "Insurrection." Data's 'lock and load' line and the clips of certain action scenes tried to really sell the movie as this whiz-bang action film that is (or was) ramping up Trek.
I thought: "These guys" - Berman and his crew, marketing people - "are trying way, way, way too hard."
(And this was around the time Trek was pretty much running on fumes).
I personally think Trek can be successful on a bigger level, like Star Wars,, but someone needs to put some love in the writing. Things are going to change overtime, in regards to films and television series, but if the execution is lackluster....it will eventually fail.
The Fast and the Furious franchise actually rebooted itself with Fast Five (as I brought out in another post, but the best of the series) and is now a heist franchise and not so much a racing for money franchise.
Someone probably already brought it up, but I recall the trailers for "Insurrection." Data's 'lock and load' line and the clips of certain action scenes tried to really sell the movie as this whiz-bang action film that is (or was) ramping up Trek.
I thought: "These guys" - Berman and his crew, marketing people - "are trying way, way, way too hard."
(And this was around the time Trek was pretty much running on fumes).
I personally think Trek can be successful on a bigger level, like Star Wars,, but someone needs to put some love in the writing. Things are going to change overtime, in regards to films and television series, but if the execution is lackluster....it will eventually fail.
The Fast and the Furious franchise actually rebooted itself with Fast Five (as I brought out in another post, but the best of the series) and is now a heist franchise and not so much a racing for money franchise.
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