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Did we get short changed on the Refit Enterprise?

Shawnster

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Ok, some of y'all don't like referring to the Enterprise as a character, and that's fine. Still, both TOS and TNG Enterprises are a long-standing location we are familiar with. They're comfortable. They're home. We feel like we could walk the decks blind folded and probably get around fine. We'd never get lost. We are as familiar with these locations as our own home or beloved public location.

But the Refit. The A? Nope. We might love this design. We might have poured over images and deck plans. But, honestly, how much time have we had with these ships? Same with the E. We barely saw them.

I'd love to have had more time with the Refit or even the E. What about you? Do you feel short changed. Feel like we've missed out?
 
Ok, some of y'all don't like referring to the Enterprise as a character, and that's fine. Still, both TOS and TNG Enterprises are a long-standing location we are familiar with. They're comfortable. They're home. We feel like we could walk the decks blind folded and probably get around fine. We'd never get lost. We are as familiar with these locations as our own home or beloved public location.

But the Refit. The A? Nope. We might love this design. We might have poured over images and deck plans. But, honestly, how much time have we had with these ships? Same with the E. We barely saw them.

I'd love to have had more time with the Refit or even the E. What about you? Do you feel short changed. Feel like we've missed out?
It was the Enterprise for over a decade and appeared on book covers and in comics over that time span and beyond.
 
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Ok, some of y'all don't like referring to the Enterprise as a character, and that's fine. Still, both TOS and TNG Enterprises are a long-standing location we are familiar with. They're comfortable. They're home. We feel like we could walk the decks blind folded and probably get around fine. We'd never get lost. We are as familiar with these locations as our own home or beloved public location.

But the Refit. The A? Nope. We might love this design. We might have poured over images and deck plans. But, honestly, how much time have we had with these ships? Same with the E. We barely saw them.

I'd love to have had more time with the Refit or even the E. What about you? Do you feel short changed. Feel like we've missed out?
I see what you're saying, but a movie every two or three years versus 26 episodes every year (followed by strip syndication every day). I don't feel short-changed because it's apples and oranges.

It would've been nice if there was a Phase II Series except with the TMP Enterprise. That would've been one way that version of the Enterprise could've been "home" in the sense that you're talking about.
 
No. That's like saying we've been short changed with the Millennium Falcon being in seven movies over the decades. Not counting, like mentioned: books, comics, video games, etc.
 
To be honest, the only time I felt like we really saw the refit was TMP. By that, I mean that it's the only time it truly feels like a fully functional, fleshed out ship. There are tons of crew everywhere, including the rec dec briefing scene. And we get to go all over the ship. Not just the bridge or engineering. We're in the cargo area/shuttle bay. Different parts of sickbay. The docking areas. The airlock. The rec deck. Corridors all around the ship. People's quarters. Etc, etc. They really went all out. The ship as seen in the other movies just feels smaller by comparison.
 
It was the Enterprise for over a decade and appeared on book covers and in comics over that time span and beyond.

That's true of the comics, since the first Marvel run and most of the DC run kept current with the contemporary movies. But most prose novels published in the '80s and '90s were set in the 5-year mission era, with movie-era novels being infrequent (although some of the early novels set in the 5YM nonetheless had the movie Enterprise on the covers, and sometimes vice-versa, due to the artists having limited photo references and not necessarily knowing the difference).
 
It was the Enterprise for over a decade and appeared on book covers and in comics over that time span and beyond.
I think the rise of the DVD box set, and especially streaming, has caused a generation gap in this area. Like, for me, the refit and the -E are some of the longest-lasting "incumbent" Enterprises; even thought the amount of filmed content was lower than any of the ships featured on TV, they were the modern version of the ship for a pretty long time, appearing on merch, in tie-ins, and more easily revisited on home video (until the 2000s, when entire shows became available on-demand without needing to buy a ton of video tapes).

They're my two favorites, and I'd love to see more stories set on them or using those designs (the Roddenberry Archive is a bit of a dream come true in that respect), but I don't feel like they're under-appreciated. Well, at least for the -E, I didn't feel like it was under-appreciated until PIC season 3.
 
I remember at the time Nemesis came out I was surprised that in universe, that ship was already in service seven years, pretty much equal to the Enterprise D as of TNG S7. It still felt like a new ship at that point.
 
I think what bothered me the most about the E-E was how little of it we really saw in any detail.

Well, and the nonsensical Engineering layout.

...though at least it didn't have an emergency door that would slice right through the horizontal intermix shaft. :p
 
The typical lifespan for Trek hero ships is like 5-7 years, I think, so the refit/-A performed pretty well above the average. If you count it as an extension of the original TOS ship and grandfather in the SNW version, then it basically holds the record for longest run as hero ship.

In-universe, too. I don't think anyone's beaten 40 years
 
Ok, some of y'all don't like referring to the Enterprise as a character, and that's fine. Still, both TOS and TNG Enterprises are a long-standing location we are familiar with. They're comfortable. They're home. We feel like we could walk the decks blind folded and probably get around fine. We'd never get lost. We are as familiar with these locations as our own home or beloved public location.

But the Refit. The A? Nope. We might love this design. We might have poured over images and deck plans. But, honestly, how much time have we had with these ships? Same with the E. We barely saw them.

I'd love to have had more time with the Refit or even the E. What about you? Do you feel short changed. Feel like we've missed out?

Long story short:
For the "A"/Kirk movies, yep - definitely wanted to see more at the time. For the "E"? Meh.

Long story:

In the 1979-1984 films, the new refit looked awesome and felt tangible, utilitarian, purposeful, big. To walk around it all would have been fantastic. So little screen time, then *poof* during the third movie.

In 1986 there's a new Enterprise, with a big bland bridge for about 30 seconds... but complete with shiny new flaws used for too much comedic effect in the next film-- but that's for another time. We do get a little more, including a new brig design, finally a use of shuttles that felt relevant and integral, the precursor to Ten-Foward that felt a little wannabe (thanks to TNG inventing it) but was not terrible, the final time we get the proper red alert klaxon (but without the voice), and, of course, the turbolift with those 80s ambiance lighting colors that fit just as easily as most of the multi-hued ship lighting did in 1960s TOS and I loved it all.

But 1991... too many original corridor sets repurposed combined with Engineering set redress (ironic since TNG's engineering set had the same floorplan as TMP's but they weren't going to repaint anything) -there's nothing really new or interesting at this point.

The "E"... We got a big plastic engine room set that convinced even less than the "D"'s neon lit plastic box (only VOY felt right, but they just dug up old bits of TMP's set, but it sure does look a lot more convincing!). We got a big bridge where, depending on flick the viewscreen would shimmer into visibility or shroud because why not... the exterior, which in ways really looks cool and the yellow deflector really looks better than the blue*, tried to meld the best of "D" with the best of "A" and we get an aft cargo section or secondary shuttle bay or cheap callback to movies we don't want to be thinking of because in come comparisons and while watching STFC I kept thinking of how the Kirk movies weren't as hokey thanks to the visual of the ship's exterior.

* Never mind the original intent of having a smooth dish ala TMP's model(!), for which photos exist and are utt-bugly... for more, gawk at this not utt-bugly mini-documentary video:
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Where Star Trek gets short-changed is ship-merch.

Stores are filled with Star Wars, wrestling toys and Skibidi toilets--but you have to sell off your first-born for not just TOMY selections...but bloody posters now?

I need to go punch something
 
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