Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

[dahj]

So why did Ray and Sara hear untranslated German when overhearing Darkh?

German is basically an Earth version of Klingon.
Just can't get through universal translators for some reason...

 

[Christopher]

I think the assumption of the show (although it was presented rather muddily) was that the attempt to kidnap Einstein ultimately wouldn't succeed because of his protection.

Except that doesn't work, because we saw the kidnappers shoot Einstein's security detail dead, and he only escaped being kidnapped by them because Stein and Rory kidnapped him first. So yes, that was the assumption in the final scenes, but it's contradicted by the explicit events of earlier scenes. This is such a sloppily written show that it can't even stay consistent within a single episode. It's fun, but stupid as hell. (Kinda like a lot of Golden/Silver Age comics, honestly.)

In fact, the episode never even confirms that the men Rip IDS are actually nazi spies. And even if they are, it's entirely possible their mission wasn't to kidnap him, but to kill him. Since it's very clear that they already had a bomb under construction at that time, Einstein himself (living free in the usa) would be more of a threat than a potential asset.

Hmm, that's a clever fix, but if fixing a plot hole requires speculating beyond what's presented onscreen, then it's still a flaw in the writing.

The subtraction of Savage and the Hawks gotten rid of a lot of dead weight on this show.

I still miss Ciara Renee, who's one of the most gorgeous women on the face of the Earth. But Maisie Richardson-Sellers is pretty lovely herself, so that should be some consolation.

Once again, Barry's selfishness and stupidity screws with more people as the team has to contend with Thawne. I agree that his involvement doesn't make a lot of sense either but I don't care.

Well, Thawne is able to travel through time at will, which makes him a fitting adversary for a team of time travelers. So that part makes sense from a creative standpoint. We just don't know yet what the in-story motivation for his actions is.

 

[davejames]

I don't know, I'm all for a fun superhero show, but this one is just getting a little TOO silly and ridiculous for my taste. The plots have no sense of credibility and make one ridiculous leap after another, there's no internal consistency with anything that happens, and the characters treat their time traveling in the most cavalier and irresponsible way imaginable (making it hard to take any of the threats very seriously at all).

At least early on it felt like there were some real stakes involved (even if it was due to the silly Vandal Savage), and the characters at least tried to take their time traveling somewhat seriously. But now all that has gone out the window, and it feels like I'm just watching some dumb cartoon where nothing really matters. And unless they're going to make it a full on farce like the 60s Batman, I need the show to have at least a hint of credibility.

I admit it was pretty cool seeing the JSA at the end, and I'm hopeful their storyline will be treated in a slightly more serious and respectful way, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[dahj]

Given how wild his hair and beard were, Ray had to be in the distant past for several months ago.

So after Sara tells him he's just a guy in a suit and that he sucks without it he spends several months chasing off T.Rexes with a stick... that's really going out of your way to prove a girl wrong

 

[ihno]

I had hoped for a quality jump but I guess it was in vain. As a Flash-Fan I guess I will continue watching.

But I must say that Neal McDonough (Damien Darkh) has a great chinese accent when he speaks german. Thank goodness there were subtitles, it's my mother tongue and I didn't understand a single word. But worth watching.

German is basically an Earth version of Klingon.
Just can't get through universal translators for some reason...

And if I may add: It wasn't really german.

 

[Enterprise1701]

But that would just make their job harder, not easier. The stated intent was that revealing Mileva's contribution would prevent the kidnapping so that the bomb would never be built. It's more of this show's illogical writing.

There's also the fact that neither Einstein nor his ex would've been able to build a bomb in 1942 all by themselves. The Manhattan Project needed years of effort and testing by most of the nation's top physicists and engineers. I suppose they could've had Thawne's help, but it's still an enormous stretch.

I was thinking that the episode would reveal the Nazis to have access to the time criminal's technology to mind-control Einstein into giving it all up, but that wasn't how episode ended up going.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Except that doesn't work, because we saw the kidnappers shoot Einstein's security detail dead, and he only escaped being kidnapped by them because Stein and Rory kidnapped him first. So yes, that was the assumption in the final scenes, but it's contradicted by the explicit events of earlier scenes. This is such a sloppily written show that it can't even stay consistent within a single episode. It's fun, but stupid as hell. (Kinda like a lot of Golden/Silver Age comics, honestly.)




Hmm, that's a clever fix, but if fixing a plot hole requires speculating beyond what's presented onscreen, then it's still a flaw in the writing.




I still miss Ciara Renee, who's one of the most gorgeous women on the face of the Earth. But Maisie Richardson-Sellers is pretty lovely herself, so that should be some consolation.




Well, Thawne is able to travel through time at will, which makes him a fitting adversary for a team of time travelers. So that part makes sense from a creative standpoint. We just don't know yet what the in-story motivation for his actions is.

We also don't know when Thawne's timeline this takes place. It could be prior to killing Nora Allen. Unless that was the first thing he did once he gained powers.

 

[Christopher]

We also don't know when Thawne's timeline this takes place. It could be prior to killing Nora Allen. Unless that was the first thing he did once he gained powers.

I dunno... Given the continuity among these shows, and given that Thawne shows up here just a week after we last saw him on The Flash, I'd expect this is meant to follow that in his personal timeline. I mean, sure, Darhk is earlier in his timeline, but he's not a time traveler.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

We also don't know when Thawne's timeline this takes place. It could be prior to killing Nora Allen. Unless that was the first thing he did once he gained powers.

He has to be the time fragment that's been interacting with Barry recently; the 'real' Eobard was erased from history. Since he only escaped from Barry after killing Nora this most recent time, it's almost definitely post those events.

 

[Snick27]

Im so disappointed that they let Arthur Darvill go. I mean WTF!. He is the only reason i stayed with the show in season one cause of his role of Rory Pond on Doctor Who. Wanted to bad for him to meet Merlyn (John Barrowman) who was Captain Jack also on Doctor Who and on Torchwood.

Wonder what happened? Did they have issue with the actor or did they just feel he wasnt strong enough for the role or what?
Without him, show going to feel too silly to take serious. To me atleast he grounded the show and to me was the star of the show.

With Flash time traveling, creating new timelines and this show doing the same with different rules, its get to be too much.

I mean when Flash let Reverse go back to kill his mom, did the Reverse now not stay and get stuck and become Wells? I mean Reverse did take Barry back to the present right after Barry left after season 2 final, so to me and some others i think Reverse didnt get stuck and became Wells and ran around changing events for Barry and then finally jump to Legends show. So to me the Reverse we are watching on Legends of Tomorrow is the most current version of him.

 

[Mr Light]

WTF? Darvill is off the show?!

 

[Snick27]

Executive producer Phil Klemmer's interview with KSiteTV. He hinted that Arthur Darvill's Rip Hunter will not be that significant in season two of "Legends of Tomorrow."

Despite the likeliness that Darvill's Rip Hunter is stepping down as captain, the good thing is that he is not leaving the show. According to Showbiz Junkies, the 34-year-old British actor assured fans during a San Diego Comic-Con panel that Rip Hunter will show a lighter side in Season 2.

Read more: http://en.yibada.com/articles/15499...er-longer-waverider-captain.htm#ixzz4N7YMg4yS


So he might show up here and there but not a main player and not a regular.

 

[Greg Cox]

A time traveler disappears mysteriously during the first episode of the new season. Why jump to the conclusion that means the actor has left the show? Seems like standard comic-book plotting to me. I just assumed that it was only a matter of time (no pun intended, really) until he dramatically reappears in a surprising fashion.

Hell, they killed off Hawkman in Season One and we all saw how long that lasted . ...

I saw that as a plot twist, not a departure.

 

[DarthPipes]

Except that doesn't work, because we saw the kidnappers shoot Einstein's security detail dead, and he only escaped being kidnapped by them because Stein and Rory kidnapped him first. So yes, that was the assumption in the final scenes, but it's contradicted by the explicit events of earlier scenes. This is such a sloppily written show that it can't even stay consistent within a single episode. It's fun, but stupid as hell. (Kinda like a lot of Golden/Silver Age comics, honestly.)




Hmm, that's a clever fix, but if fixing a plot hole requires speculating beyond what's presented onscreen, then it's still a flaw in the writing.




I still miss Ciara Renee, who's one of the most gorgeous women on the face of the Earth. But Maisie Richardson-Sellers is pretty lovely herself, so that should be some consolation.




Well, Thawne is able to travel through time at will, which makes him a fitting adversary for a team of time travelers. So that part makes sense from a creative standpoint. We just don't know yet what the in-story motivation for his actions is.

Yes on Ciara Renee and yes on Maisie Richardson-Sellers.

Yeah, it does make sense how Thawne can travel in time. Based on what we've seen of him on The Flash, the only thing he's seemed interested in were destroying Barry and getting back to his regular timeline. He hasn't shown a bigger agenda at all yet. In any case, I don't mind because I think the actor is very good in the role and look forward to seeing more of him.

 

[Christopher]

Based on what we've seen of him on The Flash, the only thing he's seemed interested in were destroying Barry and getting back to his regular timeline. He hasn't shown a bigger agenda at all yet.

But that's because we've only seen him from the Flash's perspective, so we've seen his actions expressed in terms of that relationship. People show different sides of themselves in different contexts.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

But that's because we've only seen him from the Flash's perspective, so we've seen his actions expressed in terms of that relationship. People show different sides of themselves in different contexts.

I don't know how well that justification holds up with a guy like Thawne. I mean, not only have we heard from his own mouth how obsessed he is with beating the Flash - we also know that he literally chose to leave his entire world behind specifically to go and fight the Flash, because he believed that was his destiny. It's a whole other level of obsession. Justifying any deviation from that is bound to be incredibly difficult from a writing standpoint (and who here really believes these writers are up to it, if they even bother to try in the first place?).

The only way I see this making sense in the end is if Thawne screwing up the past somehow ties back into his obsession with the Flash. Which is at least somewhat plausible - we know there'll be at least 1 crossover between the two shows this year.

 

[Christopher]

Well, if this is the post-Flashpoint Thawne, then he's just spent the past several months in a tiny cell with plenty of time to think and re-evaluate his life. Maybe he's decided to broaden his efforts beyond battling the Flash. Or maybe he's just sick of seeing Barry and wants to change history so Barry is never born, rather than battling him directly.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

Well, if this is the post-Flashpoint Thawne...

It's the only Eobard it can be. He's the time fragment that was saved from the real Eobard's erasure because he was in the Speed Force while running back to kill Barry's mother when the erasure happened. And we know that as soon as he appeared, Flash captured him and kept him locked up.

So unless they decide to pull another time fragment out of their asses (and thus have multiple Eobard's running around), the only one it can be is post-Flashpoint.

 

[Mr Light]

Reading that statement gave me a headache...

 

[Guy Gardener]

The erasure only happened forwards of when Eddie killed himself.

Otherwise, the Revere Flash was never there to kill Nora Allen, and we would have met the Flashpoint Universe at the end of Season One.

The Thawne who posed as Harrison Wells, was always a Time Fragment from a future that never happened... Although I'd like to hear what some of you think a time fragment is, because I'm a bit of at a loss to follow the consistency of their internal logic.