Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2
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This episode was a little off to me. 75% of it felt like a lost Season One episode with only old characters. Then there's a Green Arrow frame device which was cute. But the main story was pretty forgettable. Then we had that awesome cliffhanger ending which saved everything. So now I'm excited.
Nit nit: Don't they have universal translators to allow them to understand the language of whatever they're hearing? How else would they all be speaking Medieval French or Future Whatever? So why did Ray and Sara hear untranslated German when overhearing Darkh?
Nit nit: Don't they have universal translators to allow them to understand the language of whatever they're hearing? How else would they all be speaking Medieval French or Future Whatever? So why did Ray and Sara hear untranslated German when overhearing Darkh?
I'm surprised the "timescatter" was resolved so quickly. Also that they jumped forward from last season's cliffhanger rather than picking up with it.
So does this mean that Rip Hunter is no longer part of the team? That did feel like a farewell speech. And I saw an interview with the producers hinting that Hunter wouldn't be the team leader much longer.
The hypothesis that Mileva Marić secretly collaborated with Einstein is disputed, and they exaggerated it here even beyond the real-world claims. It's a nice idea to give more recognition to women's contributions to science, but I wish they'd picked someone whose overlooked contributions are more solidly grounded in fact, like Lise Meitner or Rosalind Franklin.
Also, since the Nazi spies were after both Einstein and Marić, how does exposing Marić's contribution keep Einstein safe? Or either of them, really?
And what was Thawne's motive in blowing up New York and prolonging WWII? I suppose Darhk's was to feed his necromantic power with all that death -- we know he's partial to using nuclear (atomic!) weapons to achieve that. But how does Thawne benefit from helping to bring that about?
So does this mean that Rip Hunter is no longer part of the team? That did feel like a farewell speech. And I saw an interview with the producers hinting that Hunter wouldn't be the team leader much longer.
The hypothesis that Mileva Marić secretly collaborated with Einstein is disputed, and they exaggerated it here even beyond the real-world claims. It's a nice idea to give more recognition to women's contributions to science, but I wish they'd picked someone whose overlooked contributions are more solidly grounded in fact, like Lise Meitner or Rosalind Franklin.
Also, since the Nazi spies were after both Einstein and Marić, how does exposing Marić's contribution keep Einstein safe? Or either of them, really?
And what was Thawne's motive in blowing up New York and prolonging WWII? I suppose Darhk's was to feed his necromantic power with all that death -- we know he's partial to using nuclear (atomic!) weapons to achieve that. But how does Thawne benefit from helping to bring that about?
I doubt that is the end of Rip. Since he didn't 'scatter' he probably had a destination in mind. And from last season we learned which time period captivated him - the old West. If the Legends have half a brain, they would begin their search after Rip last saw his good friend Jonah Hex.
Better premiere than I expected and I liked the Einstein stuff but it's quite a dent in history.
This show moves quickly so I wasn't surprised.
Yeah, for a second or two, I wondered if I missed an episode.
Some information about Rip and goings on for LOT season 2. As well as a certain Legion that will appear in this season.
http://www.cbr.com/sorry-rip-legends-of-tomorrows-getting-a-new-leader/
http://www.cbr.com/sorry-rip-legends-of-tomorrows-getting-a-new-leader/
What was the reference?
I'm really glad that
The Legion they mention isn't the Legion of Superheroes. I couldn't take Legends of Tomorrow ruining both my #1 (JSA) and #2 (LoSH) favorite superhero teams, especially all in one season.
I am surprised to see them mention the Legion of Doom, though. I'm also curious to see why Captain Cold would want to join them. I'm putting off watching any of the episodes until I know which ones I won't be watching, but hopefully some Captain Cold stuff will happen in decent episodes.
I am surprised to see them mention the Legion of Doom, though. I'm also curious to see why Captain Cold would want to join them. I'm putting off watching any of the episodes until I know which ones I won't be watching, but hopefully some Captain Cold stuff will happen in decent episodes.
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My guess is, exposing her contribution gets her a security detail as well.
Giving machine guns to the Confederacy (aka The Guns of the South).
Yeah, but Albert had a security detail and yet Darhk's people still went after him. That's my point. Being well-known and protected didn't spare Albert from an abduction attempt, so why would it spare both Mileva and Albert in the altered history?
Maybe in the new timeline, the Legends still need to counter-kidnap them. But since her contribution is in all the history books, they get to her, before it is to late.
But that would just make their job harder, not easier. The stated intent was that revealing Mileva's contribution would prevent the kidnapping so that the bomb would never be built. It's more of this show's illogical writing.
There's also the fact that neither Einstein nor his ex would've been able to build a bomb in 1942 all by themselves. The Manhattan Project needed years of effort and testing by most of the nation's top physicists and engineers. I suppose they could've had Thawne's help, but it's still an enormous stretch.
I think the assumption of the show (although it was presented rather muddily) was that the attempt to kidnap Einstein ultimately wouldn't succeed because of his protection. It was only Mileva being completely unprotected that actually allowed the Nazis to build a bomb.
In fact, the episode never even confirms that the men Rip IDS are actually nazi spies. And even if they are, it's entirely possible their mission wasn't to kidnap him, but to kill him. Since it's very clear that they already had a bomb under construction at that time, Einstein himself (living free in the usa) would be more of a threat than a potential asset.
But I agree, Thawne's participation here is weird. So far on the Flash the only two things he's ever cared about are beating the Flash and getting home. Destroying New York in 1942 makes no sense for him.
I just don't understand what Einstein had to do with creating an atomic bomb, or why he was even considered an authority on the matter seeing as he had absolutely nothing to do with it. Oppenheimer's team, particularly Neddermeyer coming up with the idea of crushing the core, was responsible for its creation, no? And even then it took months to even come up with the idea of how to do it properly, let alone build it.
But according to this show, the Legends believed Einstein could build one in a matter of minutes. And in 'reality' his ex-wife was the one who could. I just... I don't even...
And why would they need either of them if they had Eobard? It's not like we don't already know he couldn't do the job (seeing as he was posing as Wells for years), or even just tell Darhk or the Nazis how to do it.
But according to this show, the Legends believed Einstein could build one in a matter of minutes. And in 'reality' his ex-wife was the one who could. I just... I don't even...
And why would they need either of them if they had Eobard? It's not like we don't already know he couldn't do the job (seeing as he was posing as Wells for years), or even just tell Darhk or the Nazis how to do it.
Since I expect historical accuracy from this show about as much as I expect sensible time travel rules I wasn't bothered by the nonexistence of either.
It was a fun episode, pretty much had a pilot feel to it, rather than just a season premiere.
So, with Rip being gone, who's the new leader then? Mick? He was recognized as the smartest one of the lot by Einstein himself, and considering all the mistakes the others did over the previous season, he isn't wrong...
It was a fun episode, pretty much had a pilot feel to it, rather than just a season premiere.
So, with Rip being gone, who's the new leader then? Mick? He was recognized as the smartest one of the lot by Einstein himself, and considering all the mistakes the others did over the previous season, he isn't wrong...
I thought Sara had really established herself as the second-in-command last season and the one the team often turned too. I did like that Rip was teaching Jax how to run the ship.
Really enjoyed this episode. I love the character work and how ridiculously crazy and fun this show is. The subtraction of Savage and the Hawks gotten rid of a lot of dead weight off this show.
The stuff with Einstein was fun (particularly Martin's involvement) even if it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Once again, Barry's selfishness and stupidity screws with more people as the team has to contend with Thawne. I agree that his involvement doesn't make a lot of sense either but I don't care. He was one of the few good things about The Flash's season premiere and I'm looking forward to him teaming up with Darhk.
Given how wild his hair and beard were, Ray had to be in the distant past for several months ago. Sara too. Considering they both spent two years (along with Kendra) in 1958 through 1960, both should be almost three years older than they are supposed to be in 2016. Just how old are they going to end up by the season finale?
Really enjoyed this episode. I love the character work and how ridiculously crazy and fun this show is. The subtraction of Savage and the Hawks gotten rid of a lot of dead weight off this show.
The stuff with Einstein was fun (particularly Martin's involvement) even if it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Once again, Barry's selfishness and stupidity screws with more people as the team has to contend with Thawne. I agree that his involvement doesn't make a lot of sense either but I don't care. He was one of the few good things about The Flash's season premiere and I'm looking forward to him teaming up with Darhk.
Given how wild his hair and beard were, Ray had to be in the distant past for several months ago. Sara too. Considering they both spent two years (along with Kendra) in 1958 through 1960, both should be almost three years older than they are supposed to be in 2016. Just how old are they going to end up by the season finale?
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