Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

[sojourner]

Mirror Mid-Nite!

 

[Christopher]

It's Bizarro Mid-Nite!

Wouldn't that be Doctor Noon?

Or... what's the opposite of doctor? Patient Noon!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Doctor Noon was a member of the Crime Syndicate of Amerika.

 

[Vendikarr]

Wouldn't that be Doctor Noon?

Or... what's the opposite of doctor? Patient Noon!

Doctor Mid-Day?

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Doctor Midwife! No that's not it either.

 

[kirk55555]

Goggles ✓
Red vest over a dark shirt ✓
Crescent shaped clasps ✓
Dark pants ✓
Gloves ✓

Nope, not similar.

No green cape, no cowl (and the headdress is color wrong), the costume is brownish-red in the sleeves/legs instead of black, the goggles are wrong, gloves are wrong, the belt is wrong, his cape is attached weirdly, and his vest is more "complicated" and has a bunch of random lines the real Mid-Nite's doesn't.

Black face ✓
Blue hood/coif ✓
Round flaired collar on cape ✓
Oval jewels holding cape ✓
Black and blue color scheme ✓
Oval jewel belt ✓

Nope, nothing in common

The real Obsidian doesn't wear a hood, and that darkness is his actual face when he's using his powers, its not a piece of cloth put over his face, and numerous coloring changes (although it at least uses the right colors, unlike fake Mid-Nite). . His costume also isn't a bulky material/leather. They really don't look like the same hero, probably more then Mid-Nite. Only Commander Steel and his dollar store "costume" looks cheaper.

I actually just got some commentary on this from my younger brother as he was walking by and saw the Obsidian comparison pic on the computer screen: (Talking about the live action version in comparison to the comic version)

"He looks like an overweight cosplayer who couldn't get the face right. Actually, that's unfair to cosplayers, some of them are really good."

My brother is not a big comic fan like I am, doesn't know the character and doesn't watch the DC shows, but I thought his reaction to seeing the comic and live action pics right next to each other was pretty funny, and close to mine. Its a small sample size, but it looks like the costume doesn't win over people who aren't comic fans, either.

Also, unrelated to this specifically but connected to the JSA discussion, its really pathetic how they not only created a fake Vixen, but made her a part of the Berlanti Society of America. So, they don't use Alan Scott, Doctor Fate, Black Canary, Spectre, Sandman, Cyclone, Johnny Thunder (or JJ Thunder), The (original) Atom, Star Man, etc in the BSA. Instead, they make up a completely different character because they cast the original Vixen with an actress who wasn't going to be available for anything. Wouldn't it have made more sense to kill the other Vixen off and introduce a new one as her replacement (with an actress who wasn't tied to other obligations)? I mean, they aren't using the real Justice Society anyway so it doesn't really matter, but ignoring so many JSA members and just making members up is stupid. Or, I suppose it would be more appropriate to say that its exactly the kind of decision a Berlanti show would make.

I hope someday the JSA will get an actual second live action incarnation (Smallville having the first, and so far only legitimate version of the JSA in live action). When berlanti and his minions move on to ruining other franchises, maybe someone who actually has read a comic and likes them might use the JSA in something.

 

[Nerys Myk]

No green cape, no cowl (and the headdress is color wrong), the costume is brownish-red in the sleeves/legs instead of black, the goggles are wrong, gloves are wrong, the belt is wrong, his cape is attached weirdly, and his vest is more "complicated" and has a bunch of random lines the real Mid-Nite's doesn't.



The real Obsidian doesn't wear a hood, and that darkness is his actual face when he's using his powers, its not a piece of cloth put over his face, and numerous coloring changes (although it at least uses the right colors, unlike fake Mid-Nite). . His costume also isn't a bulky material/leather. They really don't look like the same hero, probably more then Mid-Nite. Only Commander Steel and his dollar store "costume" looks cheaper.

I actually just got some commentary on this from my younger brother as he was walking by and saw the Obsidian comparison pic on the computer screen: (Talking about the live action version in comparison to the comic version)

"He looks like an overweight cosplayer who couldn't get the face right. Actually, that's unfair to cosplayers, some of them are really good."

My brother is not a big comic fan like I am, doesn't know the character and doesn't watch the DC shows, but I thought his reaction to seeing the comic and live action pics right next to each other was pretty funny, and close to mine. Its a small sample size, but it looks like the costume doesn't win over people who aren't comic fans, either.

Also, unrelated to this specifically but connected to the JSA discussion, its really pathetic how they not only created a fake Vixen, but made her a part of the Berlanti Society of America. So, they don't use Alan Scott, Doctor Fate, Black Canary, Spectre, Sandman, Cyclone, Johnny Thunder (or JJ Thunder), The (original) Atom, Star Man, etc in the BSA. Instead, they make up a completely different character because they cast the original Vixen with an actress who wasn't going to be available for anything. Wouldn't it have made more sense to kill the other Vixen off and introduce a new one as her replacement (with an actress who wasn't tied to other obligations)? I mean, they aren't using the real Justice Society anyway so it doesn't really matter, but ignoring so many JSA members and just making members up is stupid. Or, I suppose it would be more appropriate to say that its exactly the kind of decision a Berlanti show would make.

I hope someday the JSA will get an actual second live action incarnation (Smallville having the first, and so far only legitimate version of the JSA in live action). When berlanti and his minions move on to ruining other franchises, maybe someone who actually has read a comic and likes them might use the JSA in something.

None of which supports your comment that they're nothing alike.
Of course there are differences. No one has said other wise. Most live action costume differ to varying degrees from their comic book counter parts.

 

[Phoenix219]

I just don't understand what Einstein had to do with creating an atomic bomb, or why he was even considered an authority on the matter seeing as he had absolutely nothing to do with it. Oppenheimer's team, particularly Neddermeyer coming up with the idea of crushing the core, was responsible for its creation, no? And even then it took months to even come up with the idea of how to do it properly, let alone build it.

But according to this show, the Legends believed Einstein could build one in a matter of minutes. And in 'reality' his ex-wife was the one who could. I just... I don't even...

And why would they need either of them if they had Eobard? It's not like we don't already know he couldn't do the job (seeing as he was posing as Wells for years), or even just tell Darhk or the Nazis how to do it.

This isn't the Eobard that was ever Wells. This is the Eobard that Barry freed from the time loop in the past and allowed to run free in the present. He has learned nothing of the humbling things that Wells-Thawne went through. He is fresh off of trying to kill Nora and young Barry. he is Reverse Flash at his worst. AND this makes sense of why Barry didn't set things back to normal - by releasing Eobard back into the world, there are countless small butterfly effects spanning from 1942 (at least) onward. It is looking like the entirety of LoT's S2 is completely Barry Allen's fault.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

This isn't the Eobard that was ever Wells.

I'm aware. But he is the same Eobard that was a scientific genius (or at least the common knowledge of his time that made him seem like a genius when he posed as Wells). So building, or just describing, an atomic device would be a cakewalk for him.

Which was the point of the post you replied to. Even ignoring the fact that Einstein didn't have the know-how to create an atomic bomb, there was just no need for him to scheme to have Einstein or his ex-wife kidnapped simply in order to build one. He could have just as easily given the knowledge to the Nazis and/or Darhk himself.

 

[Phoenix219]

I'm aware. But he is the same Eobard that was a scientific genius (or at least the common knowledge of his time that made him seem like a genius when he posed as Wells). So building, or just describing, an atomic device would be a cakewalk for him.

Which was the point of the post you replied to. Even ignoring the fact that Einstein didn't have the know-how to create an atomic bomb, there was just no need for him to scheme to have Einstein or his ex-wife kidnapped simply in order to build one. He could have just as easily given the knowledge to the Nazis and/or Darhk himself.

But has the show told us for certain that Eobard was ever a genius before hand? We've seen Barry learn super fast, but not retain the knowledge, and we've also seen Eobard after he stole Well's identity, which could have included some sort of memory dump for all we know. There is no reason to think that Eobard himself has any of that innate knowledge, especially without a timeship or Gideon.

Sorry if it seemed like I was singling out your post. I just got caught up on LoT today and was in the middle of putting all of the pieces together; I hadn't read the whole thread yet, and responded in the first place my thoughts may have been relevent lol.

 

[Phoenix219]

not picking up from the cliffhanger was a bit jarring. still, it was a fun episode. i liked the Harry Turtledove reference at the end.

I don't even know how the cliffhanger is even relevent anymore, since that warning did nothing, and since by the time they DO meet the JSA, that warning means nothing. The temporal conditions setting up that cliffhanger make no sense.

 

[DigificWriter]

Rex Tyler's appearance at the end of "Legendary" was direct setup for what happened to the Legends in "Out of Time", and wasn't a "cliffhanger" so much as it was "foreshadowing".

 

[Snaploud]

But has the show told us for certain that Eobard was ever a genius before hand?

Eddie Thawne: You know they're gonna find me. And you, you're not as smart as you think you are.

Eobard Thawn: Oh, really? 'Cause I'm a genius where I come from. Imagine how smart that makes me here.

The Flash: Grodd Lives (1.21)

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

No green cape, no cowl (and the headdress is color wrong), the costume is brownish-red in the sleeves/legs instead of black, the goggles are wrong, gloves are wrong, the belt is wrong, his cape is attached weirdly, and his vest is more "complicated" and has a bunch of random lines the real Mid-Nite's doesn't.



The real Obsidian doesn't wear a hood, and that darkness is his actual face when he's using his powers, its not a piece of cloth put over his face, and numerous coloring changes (although it at least uses the right colors, unlike fake Mid-Nite). . His costume also isn't a bulky material/leather. They really don't look like the same hero, probably more then Mid-Nite. Only Commander Steel and his dollar store "costume" looks cheaper.

I actually just got some commentary on this from my younger brother as he was walking by and saw the Obsidian comparison pic on the computer screen: (Talking about the live action version in comparison to the comic version)

"He looks like an overweight cosplayer who couldn't get the face right. Actually, that's unfair to cosplayers, some of them are really good."

My brother is not a big comic fan like I am, doesn't know the character and doesn't watch the DC shows, but I thought his reaction to seeing the comic and live action pics right next to each other was pretty funny, and close to mine. Its a small sample size, but it looks like the costume doesn't win over people who aren't comic fans, either.

Yeah, but to be fair, you can nitpick and find differences in every live-action superhero costume. Take Captain America for example. His movie costumes are considered by many to be some of the best superhero movie costumes. If you did a side-by-side comparison like above with his classic comic book costume though it wouldn't look close at all. He doesn't even have the right colors as he proudly wears the brown, gray and blue/black. But in the end, in the movies, it works.

I hope someday the JSA will get an actual second live action incarnation (Smallville having the first, and so far only legitimate version of the JSA in live action). When berlanti and his minions move on to ruining other franchises, maybe someone who actually has read a comic and likes them might use the JSA in something.

Meh…

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NMBEAkma9DM/TdKLSNqX_kI/AAAAAAAAC14/gcfCvX9Z2OQ/s1600/jsa+smallville.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8PCq3DxyH...AC1w/hGnh7dKZI3g/s1600/detective+marciano.jpg

 

[dahj]

The real Obsidian doesn't wear a hood, and that darkness is his actual face when he's using his powers, its not a piece of cloth put over his face

I think in this case a piece of cloth over his face works better than painting a white guy's face black.

 

[Marc]

I'm aware. But he is the same Eobard that was a scientific genius (or at least the common knowledge of his time that made him seem like a genius when he posed as Wells). So building, or just describing, an atomic device would be a cakewalk for him.

Which was the point of the post you replied to. Even ignoring the fact that Einstein didn't have the know-how to create an atomic bomb, there was just no need for him to scheme to have Einstein or his ex-wife kidnapped simply in order to build one. He could have just as easily given the knowledge to the Nazis and/or Darhk himself.

Sure thawne would might have to the knowledge of how to build a nuclear device using advanced technology but when he's havnig to deal with the technology of the 1940s it's a different kettle of fish.

He's not going to have a computer to do the design and modelling - that's something that would have to be worked out with the little grey cells as Poirot would say so you're going to need the Einstiens of the era to do the calculations.

As for passing the information on to the Nazis or Darkh you would be dealing with people who might grasp the concepts but still wouldn't have the background to the do the design calculations.

finally having the knowledge doesn't make one a genius, just makes one well educated. Having the knowledge and the ability is where you're approaching genius level.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

Sure thawne would might have to the knowledge of how to build a nuclear device using advanced technology but when he's havnig to deal with the technology of the 1940s it's a different kettle of fish.

???

You can learn the basics of the major breakthrough that was needed from a flippin' movie like Fat Man and Little Boy. That's all the information the Nazis would have needed to get the job done. No modern or advanced computer systems needed whatsoever. The really hard part -- the processed uranium -- was already stolen/acquired. All the Nazi's needed in the show was the know-how of how to make it into an effective weapon.

And, again, no. Einstein would be fucking useless for literally anything dealing with an atomic bomb. Seriously, that was the dumbest aspect of the episode, following distantly by the fact that it only took his ex-wife a couple hours to build one from scratch.

Seriously, that's like saying that if they have trouble with the Waverider, they should just hook up with Einstein again to get him to build them an engine that would let them approach the speed of light. I mean, he came up with theories involving that as the theoretical maximum speed of the universe, ergo he should totally have no trouble building such an engine. And in a couple hours, too!

Same (dumb) logic.

 

[dahj]

"Look, Eobardy, I'm sure that in 1985 plutonium is available in every corner drugstore, but in 1942 it's a little hard to come by."

 

[Dick Whitman]

In last season's "The Reverse Flash Returns" Gideon called him Professor Thawne. So presumably he was a Professor in his own time. Which of course is an allusion to Eobard Thawne other nickname in the comics "Professor Zoom". Which the show does not use to avoid confusion. Due to now in the comics and on the show there is a completely separate character called just "Zoom".

 

[JD]

Goggles ✓
Red vest over a dark shirt ✓
Crescent shaped clasps ✓
Dark pants ✓
Gloves ✓

Nope, not similar.


Black face ✓
Blue hood/coif ✓
Round flaired collar on cape ✓
Oval jewels holding cape ✓
Black and blue color scheme ✓
Oval jewel belt ✓

Nope, nothing in common

No green cape, no cowl (and the headdress is color wrong), the costume is brownish-red in the sleeves/legs instead of black, the goggles are wrong, gloves are wrong, the belt is wrong, his cape is attached weirdly, and his vest is more "complicated" and has a bunch of random lines the real Mid-Nite's doesn't.



The real Obsidian doesn't wear a hood, and that darkness is his actual face when he's using his powers, its not a piece of cloth put over his face, and numerous coloring changes (although it at least uses the right colors, unlike fake Mid-Nite). . His costume also isn't a bulky material/leather. They really don't look like the same hero, probably more then Mid-Nite. Only Commander Steel and his dollar store "costume" looks cheaper.

I actually just got some commentary on this from my younger brother as he was walking by and saw the Obsidian comparison pic on the computer screen: (Talking about the live action version in comparison to the comic version)

"He looks like an overweight cosplayer who couldn't get the face right. Actually, that's unfair to cosplayers, some of them are really good."

My brother is not a big comic fan like I am, doesn't know the character and doesn't watch the DC shows, but I thought his reaction to seeing the comic and live action pics right next to each other was pretty funny, and close to mine. Its a small sample size, but it looks like the costume doesn't win over people who aren't comic fans, either.

Also, unrelated to this specifically but connected to the JSA discussion, its really pathetic how they not only created a fake Vixen, but made her a part of the Berlanti Society of America. So, they don't use Alan Scott, Doctor Fate, Black Canary, Spectre, Sandman, Cyclone, Johnny Thunder (or JJ Thunder), The (original) Atom, Star Man, etc in the BSA. Instead, they make up a completely different character because they cast the original Vixen with an actress who wasn't going to be available for anything. Wouldn't it have made more sense to kill the other Vixen off and introduce a new one as her replacement (with an actress who wasn't tied to other obligations)? I mean, they aren't using the real Justice Society anyway so it doesn't really matter, but ignoring so many JSA members and just making members up is stupid. Or, I suppose it would be more appropriate to say that its exactly the kind of decision a Berlanti show would make.

I hope someday the JSA will get an actual second live action incarnation (Smallville having the first, and so far only legitimate version of the JSA in live action). When berlanti and his minions move on to ruining other franchises, maybe someone who actually has read a comic and likes them might use the JSA in something.

Those costumes are a lot closer than a lot of costumes we've gotten over the years, and it's pretty clear at this point that you're just looking for minor nit picks just to have some reason to not like them. Clearly you just have a massive grudge against the Arrowverse shows and nothing they do will please you at this point.