Should have played Doc Savage.The Rock must have soured on Superheroes after that Black Adam debacle.
Should have played Doc Savage.The Rock must have soured on Superheroes after that Black Adam debacle.
Not at allThe Man of Bronze?
Problematic.
I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube would do that for paid subscribers.I wonder if subscribers can turn them off permanently.
Should have played Doc Savage.
The Man of Bronze?
Problematic.
Not at all
I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube would do that for paid subscribers.
It should be. Snyder's take on the character blew chunks.
This is interesting because this addresses a question I had after Superman. Where does his red, blue, yellow suit come from? Presumably the symbol is Krypton. But we did not see his parents wearing it. Maybe it was hidden under their white robes. But clearly he gives Kara her suit.
It’s interesting how ideas evolve. Originally the suit completely something that was created on Earth. S symbol too. By the Silver Age Ma Kent made the Superman suit from his Kryptonian baby blanket.
I never cared for much later introduction that Jor-El set the full Superman suit with him. What we know of these two parents does not fit their motivations for Kal-El either. Unless this is Clark projecting his own wishes that these bright colorful suits are for the good guys.
Not surprisingly fans of a certain director are already seeing that as an attack on his take on Superman…![]()
It should be. Snyder's take on the character blew chunks.
And you loved it.It should be. Snyder's take on the character blew chunks.
The Snyder version of Superman will always be there for those who enjoy it, but it seems increasingly likely that approach to the character will go down in his history as a one-off experiment of niche appeal, as productions like S&L and Gunn’s DCU return to the more traditional take that has defined him for decades.
They showed him saving people all the time, but it didn't matter.The problem was that the stories hobbled him and didn't really allow him to do much actual Superman stuff like saving people.
S&L cribbed some visual cues from Snyder, as well as some of his effort at “realism.” And yes, it was set at a later point in Superman’s life than prior productions. But by “traditional,” I’m talking about the approach to Clark as a character. I don’t conceive of Superman as a brooding pessimist. Do you see Hoechlin’s version being reduced to the bitter, defeated cynicism of, “No one stays good in this world,” no matter what life threw at him? Or “Superman was never real”? Because I don’t. What I saw was a guy who rolled with the punches — even blows as punishing as Lois’s cancer — without ever surrendering his determination, his optimistic spirit, or his faith in himself, his family and friends, and the world around him.I didn't really feel that Snyder's Superman was all that different as a character; he still felt like Superman to me in spite of everything around him. The problem was that the stories hobbled him and didn't really allow him to do much actual Superman stuff like saving people. They had the right tool (Cavill was excellent in the role, at least in MoS) but didn't know how to use it.
And really, I felt that Superman & Lois emulated Snyder's approach and style more than I would've preferred. I'm also not sure "traditional" is a fitting word, since I think it was the first time a screen production focused on Clark later in life as a father and husband, with his years at the Daily Planet in his past.
But by “traditional,” I’m talking about the approach to Clark as a character. I don’t conceive of Superman as a brooding pessimist.
Both my post and your response referred generally to Snyder’s Superman as a character, not just MoS (though you did single out that film re: the quality of Cavill’s performance). In any case, it’s the same fictional guy in both films, so both are fair game in analyzing the overall portrayal. And personally, I don’t agree that he’s a whole lot better in MoS.
Nobody said Snyder’s Superman doesn’t help people, but I think it’s difficult to deny that the emotional tenor of Clark as a character is very different in Snyder’s films than in any of the live-action portrayals before or since. (Maybe Welling’s emo Clark in his most navel-gazing moments occasionally comes close.) The “traditional take” to which I referred is an observably more positive and personable fellow, who doesn’t seem consistently miserable and burdened by his terrible life as the most powerful being on earth. That’s what I think will be relegated to an aberration in the character’s history, with S&L and Superman ‘25 already steering him back in a more familiar direction in terms of spirit and personality.
And personally, I don’t agree that he’s a whole lot better in MoS.
The Rock must have soured on Superheroes after that Black Adam debacle.
The movie was "fine".
It was Dwanye's behavior off camera that was appalling.
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