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[Winterwind]

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Death, kinda-sorta overrides the economy.

Gee, great response. I've heard it said "a single death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".

How many will suffer if they become homeless? How many will be put at risk or die if they do?

In Ontario our provincial government already wants to make evictions easier for landlords and bar glaring maintenance and health and safety violations commited by landlords as evidence against them. And landlords already exploit the N12 loophole the government gave them.

I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm the opposite of the old expression because the older I get the further left I lean and my biggest passion/care/concern in life beyond my wife and my music is poverty, the homeless, the people society lets slip through the cracks.

If this continues, if this puts people at risk, governments need to ensure no one losses the roof over their head and there's food on the table.

 

[Nakita Akita]

I do wonder how far this will go, closures, lockdowns and such.

Since a significant percentage of the population don't have the financial resources to "ride it out" as far as food, rent, etc, what will the various governments do?

So far all the various levels of governments in the western world seem to do is announce closures of businesses, services and borders.

It's all well and good that, for example, telecom companies are giving unlimited data or some sports teams are still going to pay arena staff but who is helping the rest of the people living pay cheque to pay cheque?

Who's going to enforce it?
Are the cops going to run in and arrest people for eating in the rest

Gee, great response. I've heard it said "a single death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".

How many will suffer if they become homeless? How many will be put at risk or die if they do?

In Ontario our provincial government already wants to make evictions easier for landlords and bar glaring maintenance and health and safety violations commited by landlords as evidence against them. And landlords already exploit the N12 loophole the government gave them.

I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm the opposite of the old expression because the older I get the further left I lean and my biggest passion/care/concern in life beyond my wife and my music is poverty, the homeless, the people society lets slip through the cracks.

If this continues, if this puts people at risk, governments need to ensure no one losses the roof over their head and there's food on the table.

unless they're a business owner?
This is going to hurt way after it shouldn't any longer.
Businesses collapse, it's way worse than if one person that is 87 years old and had emphysema dies.
It's sad to say but very true.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Businesses collapse, it's way worse than if one person that is 87 years old and had emphysema dies.

That person is still a human being.

The shutdowns are an emergency measure to try to reduce the community spread of the disease, and prevent our health care systems from becoming overwhelmed and collapsing. Yes, this imposes hardship on people, and it is definitely going to hurt, but what do you think happens if we no longer have an effective health care system in place in the middle of a pandemic?

Nobody has all the answers right now. This situation is unprecedented in our modern times. Our government here is working on relief packages. Will they be sufficient? I don't know. The governments are just doing what they can, with what information they have available right now, in order to try to keep as many of their citizens alive as they can.

 

[Nakita Akita]

Very True.
I'm 62 years old and work in a hospital, I'm not even sure if I'll survive this.

But, it doesn't take a mind reader or psychic to know that The Donald is not the most stable person around, nor that he can't handle failure.
He's already denied publicly that any of this is his fault.



BTW: Please don't twist the meaning of my words...


I'm expressing my own thoughts about how things are going/may go.
No where in my post did I indicate that I was privileged with inside knowledge about what's going on.
I'm simply going by what he has already said and how he has acted in the past.

There's no sense in denying that the man has no clue beyond his own self interests.

I'm not sure what Is Trump's fault.
Do you think he has a lab and created the virus?
Do you think he shouldn't have shut things down, you know like a president in the recent past did, and lots of people died?
I'm not sure why people are blaming Trump for anything. Or for what.

 

[Finn]

Are you kidding?

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Mel Brooks & son Max Brooks demonstrate the importance of social distancing (via Twitter)

 

[fireproof78]

The governments are just doing what they can, with what information they have available right now, in order to try to keep as many of their citizens alive as they can.

I think this needs to be reiterated. People are doing the best they can with what information they have.

I may be frustrated by it but I applaud steps take by the state I'm in.

 

[Nakita Akita]

I think this needs to be reiterated. People are doing the best they can with what information they have.

I may be frustrated by it but I applaud steps take by the state I'm in.

It is actually better than letting 10,000 people die.
I don't think blaming the President of one country is better or intelligent.
Not that you did that.
I personally think the closures hVe gone a bit too far. But then again, no president of any country is going to make everyone happy.

 

[Kor]

Who's going to enforce it?
Are the cops going to run in and arrest people for eating in the rest
...

Most likely, if a restaurant defied a government order to close the dining room, people would notice and then the restaurant would be reported quickly, and the health department would come in and make them close their operations. A lot of this is going to depend on community cooperation and engagement. And there are plenty of people out there who feel that it is their civic duty to report noncompliance with government directives.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

It is actually better than letting 10,000 people die.
I don't think blaming the President of one country is better or intelligent.
Not that you did that.
I personally think the closures hVe gone a bit too far. But then again, no president of any country is going to make everyone happy.

Well, I see the comments regarding testing and lack sooner containment. But blame will not help either.

 

[AlanC9]

If an administration screws up, why shouldn't they get blamed for that? They'll take the credit for stuff that goes right.

But hey, I gotta give Trump props for finally not lying about how serious this is. The press conference today was decent.

 

[Delta Vega]

I've a feeling that we're not being told the complete truth about the reach and potential damage this virus will cause
The powers that be are obviously going into lockdown because they believe that they have lost control of it
I hope that isn't the case.

 

[fireproof78]

If an administration screws up, why shouldn't they get blamed for that? They'll take the credit for stuff that goes right.

But hey, I gotta give Trump props for finally not lying about how serious this is.

Eh, I'm a solutions focused guy. If blame yields a better future response then ok. But, blame is often used to score points. That's not for me.

 

[Nakita Akita]

I feel like it's being blown out of proportion to crash economies all over the world.
I think economic collapse will be worse than some people dying.

 

[AlanC9]

Eh, I'm a solutions focused guy. If blame yields a better future response then ok. But, blame is often used to score points. That's not for me.

OK. In general, I think that blame will yield better future results. Not being blamed for underreacting raises the probability of underreaction in the future.

Edit: this works both ways, of course. The problem with previous epidemics fizzling is that it discredits aggressive action. I don't know how to solve this.

 

[AlanC9]

I feel like it's being blown out of proportion to crash economies all over the world.
I think economic collapse will be worse than some people dying.

\What shadowy conspiracy has that much power over governments all over the world? How are they getting Italy to fake their data? Why are Spain and France destroying their own economies?

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm not sure what Is Trump's fault.
Do you think he has a lab and created the virus?
Do you think he shouldn't have shut things down, you know like a president in the recent past did, and lots of people died?
I'm not sure why people are blaming Trump for anything. Or for what.

How about spending the first two months after this viral outbreak began denying the whole thing would effect the USA and then downplaying how bad it was right up until today.
Inaction, is very often worse than actually doing something and his denials have cost people their lives.

And him closing the barn door by announcing the closure to China, was waaay after the horse had already run away and squatters had moved in.

How about the fact that his administration eliminated our Federal Epidemic Response Team, TWO YEARS AGO, simply because it was set up by Obama.

How about the fact that for several weeks now, he has contradicted his own Medical Expert almost daily.

Yet, none of this is his fault.... ???

How about opening your eyes and actually seeing the results of everything that is happening now, is due to his failure to get beyond his own EGO.

 

[Nakita Akita]

\What shadowy conspiracy has that much power over governments all over the world? How are they getting Italy to fake their data?

The data as far as sick people is correct, of real, but over blown is the reaction by everyone. The world is very interconnected, it doesn't take much to get people reacting to something that really isn't such a big deal.
The H1N1 was a very nasty virus too, but there was virtually nothing shut down because of it. Did people not have as many cell phones then? No face book craze/Twitter craze?
Now if so much as someone flips the bird at someone else it's all over the country or western world in a day or less. That's the only conspiracy nutty theory you need, the population interacting, that does it on its own. If you don't belive it, go to your local store tonight or tomorrow and buy some toilet paper. Do you think Soros did that?
Nope, cell phones and the Internet did that.

 

[Nakita Akita]

How about spending the first two months after this viral outbreak began denying the whole thing would effect the USA and then downplaying how bad it was right up until today.
Inaction, is very often worse than actually doing something and his denials have cost people their lives.

And him closing the barn door by announcing the closure to China, was waaay after the horse had already run away and squatters had moved in.

How about the fact that his administration eliminated our Federal Epidemic Response Team, TWO YEARS AGO, simply because it was set up by Obama.

How about the fact that for several weeks now, he has contradicted his own Medical Expert almost daily.

Ho's about you read up on Obama's rapid and effective response to the H1N1 virus and get back to me.

 

[fireproof78]

OK. In general, I think that blame will yield better future results. Not being blamed for underreacting raises the probability of underreaction in the future.

Edit: this works both ways, of course. The problem with previous epidemics fizzling is that it discredits aggressive action. I don't know how to solve this.

Yeah, I know. There are no easy solutions, which is why I hesitate to play the blame game, though I really shouldn't frame it as a game.

All I know is precautions are being taken (as I am told in multiple emails from my HR, my doctor, my bank, and various other organizations).

I'll leave others to sort the politics.

In the mean time, everyone take care of yourself.