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Nakita Akita said:
Ho's about you read up on Obama's rapid and effective response to the H1N1 virus and get back to me.
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How about you reading up on Obama's Response to the Ebola outbreak in which he learned from his mistakes with the H1N1 outbreak and set up the above mentioned Federal Epidemic Response Team.
How about you give me an example in which Obama EVER SAID it wasn't his fault or DENIED that it was happening.

I'd even settle for just one example in which Obama ever let his EGO come before the health and safety of the USA.
The H1N1 was something that caught everybody off guard, it was a learning experience for everybody.
 
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Nakita Akita said:
The data as far as sick people is correct, of real, but over blown is the reaction by everyone. The world is very interconnected, it doesn't take much to get people reacting to something that really isn't such a big deal.
The H1N1 was a very nasty virus too, but there was virtually nothing shut down because of it. Did people not have as many cell phones then? No face book craze/Twitter craze?
Now if so much as someone flips the bird at someone else it's all over the country or western world in a day or less. That's the only conspiracy nutty theory you need, the population interacting, that does it on its own. If you don't belive it, go to your local store tonight or tomorrow and buy some toilet paper. Do you think Soros did that?
Nope, cell phones and the Internet did that.
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The problem with this argument is that Covid-19 is a lot more lethal than H1N1.
 
Nakita Akita said:
I feel like it's being blown out of proportion
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So you say. I guess there's not really much more to be said about that, other than good luck to you and yours.

Nakita Akita said:
The H1N1 was a very nasty virus too, but there was virtually nothing shut down because of it.
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The mortality rate of H1N1 was 0.02%. The mortality rate for COVID-19 is at least fifty times that.

A note to all thread participants: this thread is about COVID-19, the global pandemic. If you want to discuss American partisan politics, and rehash the actions of previous American presidents, please start a new thread. Thank you.
 
AlanC9 said:
The problem with this argument is that Covid-19 is a lot more lethal than H1N1.
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And also the H1N1 did respond to some vaccines that were available at the time.

Avro Arrow said:
A note to all thread participants: this thread is about COVID-19, the global pandemic. If you want to discuss American partisan politics, and rehash the actions of previous American presidents, please start a new thread. Thank you.
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Understood, and sorry my bad.

As a long time hospital nursing employee (43 years), it boils my blood when folks who apparently have no clue as to how bad this is and how bad our Federal Govt's. response has been, try to brush it all off.

Those of us who are now and going to be on the front lines of this in the next few weeks and months, are scared and worried for everybody's loved-ones who we'll be taking care of and responsible for their very lives.
 
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April 2009-January 2010 H1N1
9 months.( not sure 9 months can be considered quick and catching people off guard)
57 million Americans infected
257,000 hospitalized
11690 died, including children.
Seems pretty lethal,
I'm not sure I remember Obama be blamed.
Trump is being blamed, like he cooked up the virus or something.
 
DaveyNY said:
And also the H1N1 did respond to some vaccines that were available at the time.



Understood, and sorry my bad.

As a long time hospital nursing employee (43 years), it boils my blood when folks who apparently have no clue as to how bad this is and how bad our Federal Govt's. response has been, try to brush it all off.
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What more could be done?
Everything is closed up.
People can't do or go anyplace!
What more could be done?
 
DaveyNY said:
Those of us who are now and going to be on the front lines of this in the next few weeks and months, are scared and worried for everybody's loved-ones who we'll be taking care of and responsible for their very lives.
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I am taking every precaution that I can. I work in community mental health and my mom is an ARNP. No, I'm not scared. I am prepared as I can be.
 
Nakita Akita said:
What more could be done?
Everything is closed up.
People can't do or go anyplace!
What more could be done?
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At this point, nothing.

But a month and a half ago when our medical experts were warning that it was coming, a lot could have been done.
You seem to be missing the entire point, early on preparation is what we needed and didn't get.

We could have had hundreds of thousands of testing kits available three weeks ago.
Hell, we could have even taken the offer from the German Govt. for their extremely reliable testing kits which just about all of the rest of the world is using.
Apparently, we told them we didn't need them.
:sigh:
 
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AlanC9 said:
Now? Not much. The time to do stuff is past. We'll get testing up to where South Korea was weeks ago, no doubt, but we shout have kept pace.
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51 million people s. Korea.
USA 350
Million
S Korea is the size of Indiana.
USA is bigger than the state of Indiana
Apples and oranges
 
Nakita Akita said:
51 million people s. Korea.
USA 350
Million
S Korea is the size of Indiana.
USA is bigger than the state of Indiana
Apples and oranges
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What are you talking about? South Korea can test a higher percentage of its population because it's smaller in absolute numbers? That seems so self-evidently silly that I can't believe you're suggesting it. But if you don't, then what do you mean?
 
AlanC9 said:
Covid-19 is worse. If 57 million Americans get it... no, I don't want to even do the math.
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14% to 17% is the average range of how many folks will need to be hospitalized based on the rest of the worlds numbers.

Somewhere in the area of 600k to 100k as a very rough guesstimate.

And we've got I believe about 800k beds that could be made available.

But then comes the even more interesting numbers...
We've got about 98k Intensive care beds and the rough estimates of critically ill from this virus is in the 75 to 80% range.
That math is scary beyond belief.
 
To quote Swiss Family Robinson: Let's not waste time looking backwards.

Put aside the petty political BS and focus on taking care of each other!
 
DaveyNY said:
At this point, nothing.

But a month and a half ago when our medical experts were warning that it was coming, a lot could have been done.
You seem to be missing the entire point, early on preparation is what we needed and didn't get.

We could have had hundreds of thousands of testing kits available three weeks ago.
Hell, we could have even taken the offer from the German Govt. for their extremely reliable testing kits which just about all of the rest of the world is using.
Apparently, we told them we didn't need them.
:sigh:
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As far as I have seen people are getting tested. ptrtty doon they'll be getting innoculated.
 
fireproof78 said:
To quote Swiss Family Robinson: Let's not waste time looking backwards.

Put aside the petty political BS and focus on taking care of each other!
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The past is done, but the denial from some folks here and now is what is also worrisome.
:shrug:

Nakita Akita said:
As far as I have seen people are getting tested. ptrtty doon they'll be getting innoculated.
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Ummmnnn..... NO, there isn't going to be any "pretty soon" for mass inoculations.

Unless you mean 12 to 18 months as "pretty soon"?
 
AlanC9 said:
What are you talking about? South Korea can test a higher percentage of its population because it's smaller in absolute numbers? That seems so self-evidently silly that I can't believe you're suggesting it. But if you don't, then what do you mean?
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Are you seriously going to try to compare something like that based on percentages?
The USA is a huge landmass.
There are people that drive hours to just get to the grocery stores and longer to a medical facility. It's not all about numbers, that is short sightedness to the extreme.
There are way more variables that a percentage. Think about it.
 
DaveyNY said:
The past is done, but the denial from some folks here and now is what is also worrisome.
:shrug:



Ummmnnn..... NO, there isn't going to be any "pretty soon" for mass inoculations.

Unless you mean 12 to 18 months as "pretty soon"?
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That's pretty soon
 
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