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Christmas 08: the Next Doctor. Review

I was hoping the Doctor would give Jackson Lake the vortex manipulator at the end so he and his son could travel through time and space in their "TARDIS". Other than that, it was a very good episode. :)
 
As always, if you stop to consider what was happening off screen, the death toll from that giant robot stomping all over the place must have been enormous. :lol:
Christmas wouldn't be Christmas without a climbing body count. :bolian:
 
As always, if you stop to consider what was happening off screen, the death toll from that giant robot stomping all over the place must have been enormous. :lol:
Christmas wouldn't be Christmas without a climbing body count. :bolian:
um very few people died in the Christmas Invasion, The Runaway Bride again not many deaths (in the grand scheme of things), Voyage of the Dammed yeah ok most of the passengers died, but we have seen how that episode could have ended (Turn Left)
 
1) The Cyber-shades were crap. Utter shit. I mean, they're supposed to be converted animals, and successors to the Cybermats, but they fail because they're so obviously just extras in cheap gorilla suits. Animals have different legs than people, you see.

I got the sense that they were intentionally silly-looking.

2) The explanation of where the Cybes come from. Why bother? They're Cybermen doing what Cybermen traditionally do, so why bother with the wanky explanation that depends on the casual viewer remembering the line about the void being dead from a story aired six months ago. Cos they won't, and this just goes great lengths to narrow down "oh they're the last Cybes left from the parallel universe" when they could just have cut the line and let people assume they're this universe's Cybes.

Well, they need an explanation for where the dimension-jumper-thinger-ma-bob comes from that they use to get rid of the Cybermen's megazord. ;)

Oh, and so how the hell do the Pete's World Cybes know about the first nine Doctors or the Time Lords anyway? To know that stuff they have to be our universe's Cybermen.

I imagine they found Torchwood's file on the Doctor and downloaded it from their computer system whilst they were in control of Torchwood One. Easy.

ETA: Oops. I seem to have missed the line about it being a Dalek database. Either way, no continuity problems.
 
I'm guessing the Daleks just recorded images of encounters with each Doctor and I'm sure the Daleks must have taken over races with information and data on each Doctor


It was pretty much a Dalek Doctor Database, say that three times fast....
I dont disagree with the notion that the Daleks would have such a database, but its really very convenient that the Cybermen have it for this story.

No more convenient than the TARDIS landing at JUST the right time to put the Doctor in a position to stop some evil being every week.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed this one! Great ride. A point taken off for technobabble solutions. While the technosolutions weren't bad enough to ruin it, I wish the solutions were more based on the Doctor's intelligence. I do wish that the "next Doctor" just wasn't some guy. That it was some alternate, future Doctor or something. That part was a waste of screen time.

Mr Awe
 
A nice Christmas special. It's finally good to see it after all those months of speculation,leaked photos, leaked dialogue, and youtube behind the scenes clips like the doctor saying "oh! thats cheating! are your legs running on silent?"

Also the dialogue of "The Companion will do as the doctor say!"

I liked the flashes of the previous doctors. Funny how the Cybermen never met Doctor 9.

Dervla Kirwin's mannerisms were kind of hot

"you cheeky boy..."

"hark"
 
A nice Christmas special. It's finally good to see it after all those months of speculation,leaked photos, leaked dialogue, and youtube behind the scenes clips like the doctor saying "oh! thats cheating! are your legs running on silent?"

Also the dialogue of "The Companion will do as the doctor say!"

I liked the flashes of the previous doctors. Funny how the Cybermen never met Doctor 9.
I dont recall the 8th Doctor meeting the Cybermen or the Daleks.
 
A nice Christmas special. It's finally good to see it after all those months of speculation,leaked photos, leaked dialogue, and youtube behind the scenes clips like the doctor saying "oh! thats cheating! are your legs running on silent?"

Also the dialogue of "The Companion will do as the doctor say!"

I liked the flashes of the previous doctors. Funny how the Cybermen never met Doctor 9.
I dont recall the 8th Doctor meeting the Cybermen or the Daleks.

oh right. Must be quiet about the plotholes :)
 
A nice Christmas special. It's finally good to see it after all those months of speculation,leaked photos, leaked dialogue, and youtube behind the scenes clips like the doctor saying "oh! thats cheating! are your legs running on silent?"

Also the dialogue of "The Companion will do as the doctor say!"

I liked the flashes of the previous doctors. Funny how the Cybermen never met Doctor 9.
I dont recall the 8th Doctor meeting the Cybermen or the Daleks.

oh right. Must be quiet about the plotholes :)
to quote the Doctor "stolen from the Daleks inside the void I'd say"

first off, I always had this image of the Void just being nothing (white in my head but more likely black) where everybody just floated around doing not very much, not where people are going around stealing technology.

anyways thats not the point, this plot hole isnt as big as it could be, as the Doctor is only guessing as to where they got it from. Leaving an unanswered question with no right or wrong answer (fandom will be pleased) I quite like Sci theory "I imagine they found Torchwood's file on the Doctor and downloaded it from their computer system whilst they were in control of Torchwood One. Easy."

Given how the Doctor is only guessing where the Cybermen got it from, I think Sci's theory is a strong possibility.
 
Really liked it! I think it might be tied with The Runaway Bride as my fave Xmas episode. Morrisey was better than I had originally speculated from the trailer, the female lead villain was fan-tastic, and the Cyber-King was just cool fun. PLUS, there was a minimum of only one cheesy line and scene. That's got to be a record for RTD. :angel:

All in all, 8-out-10. Roll on Planet of the Dead... :techman:
 
I dont recall the 8th Doctor meeting the Cybermen or the Daleks.
Daleks: Time of the Daleks, Blood of the Daleks, War of the Daleks, Terror Firma, Fire and Brimstone, Children of the Revolution
Cybermen: Sword of Orion, Human Resources, The Flood

I've probably forgotten a few. :)
 
Funny how the Cybermen never met Doctor 9.
I don't recall the 8th Doctor meeting the Cybermen or the Daleks.

oh right. Must be quiet about the plotholes :)

I like to image the 8th doctor had more than the single adventure we got to witness. Just as I like to assume the 9th doctor's incarnation didn't begin right before the events of "Rose".


I liked this special quite a bit. I loved how the doctor slowly began to realize he wasn't in the company of a future doc. The sonic screwdriver bit was my favorite: (sort of how it went)

"Is that your sonic screwdriver?"

"Yes!"

"It's just a regu...What makes it sonic?"

"It makes a noise when you bang it." :guffaw:

I personally thought the CyberKing was badass in a nerdy sci-fi kinda way. I also liked Rosetta quite a bit. To bad the doctor didn't try to steal her away as his companion. ;)
 
1) The Cyber-shades were crap. Utter shit. I mean, they're supposed to be converted animals, and successors to the Cybermats, but they fail because they're so obviously just extras in cheap gorilla suits. Animals have different legs than people, you see.

They reminded me of a primary school production and the standard dog outfit we had. Which is not good.

I liked the Doctor/Doctor story though not so much the Cybermen stuff. The Cyberking was a little overkill for me. Overall, better story than last years, but I expected more fast paced Christmas fluff.

Also - I loved the flashes of the other nine Doctors.. it was actually more than I expected when I heard about it.
 
For nuWho watchers:

The first Tom Baker story, 'Robot', had, uh, a robot. Which later grew to gigantic proportions and iirc, stomped on things.

And I haven't seen the movie since its original broadcast, but didn't Eight pick up the Master's ashes from the Daleks? Or was that Seven?
 
The whole 'dragged along on their bums' bit was laugh out loud funny.
That was hilarious! I can't believe their pants survived that. Not that I want to see their bums or anything... :alienblush:

I liked this much better than last year's Christmas special. Yeah it was hokey but it was fun. And worth staying up til nearly 3 AM to watch. :vulcan:
 
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