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Chakotay and Seven on Earth

It's been awhile since I saw "Endgame", and I might have missed Human Error. I didn't have access to a TV when Voyager was running the first time.
 
It's been awhile since I saw "Endgame", and I might have missed Human Error. I didn't have access to a TV when Voyager was running the first time.

For a long time, most people in my country had never heard of Star Trek aside maybe for little tidbits and I believe I saw a comic book or two...The only way to watch anything from the franchise was through the cable which was not common until about twenty years ago or so...Now everything has changed, plus we have things like Netflix...
 
I view Chakotay and Seven the way I view Ron and Hermione in the Potterverse... I like both characters, but I don't like them together.

I like hot fudge sundaes.
I like lasanga.
I don't want hot fudge sauce on my lasagna.
 
I view Chakotay and Seven the way I view Ron and Hermione in the Potterverse... I like both characters, but I don't like them together.

I like hot fudge sundaes.
I like lasanga.
I don't want hot fudge sauce on my lasagna.
That's how I feel about most Star Trek related pairings.
 
That's how I feel about most Star Trek related pairings.

I can understand that. But some are worse than others, and a few are almost palatable.

I still get a kick out of the fact that a pairing that was never explored not only was quite real, but even produced an in-cast pregnancy.
 
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I can understand that. But some are worse than others, and a few are almost palatable.
They all are, for me, uninteresting by default. Well orchestrated but ultimately forgettable in a serious that supposedly is about exploring out in space. But, no, we have to have the "Will the/won't they?" styling romances.

The few palatable ones are that because they are treated as background texture not focus of episodes. Otherwise, I would watch a romance show and not the show with the rocket ships and ray guns.
 
It's not just rocket ships and ray guns, it's about the characters you come to know, and appreciate, and even name your kids after. Your cat, anyway.
Caring about characters doesn't equal wanting romantic plots/subplots/whatnots. Maybe I just want characters doing the adventurous stuff.
 
Is having blue eyes a lifestyle? How about your height (sans shoes). Is that a lifestyle?

No?

Then being LGBT is not a lifestyle, either. Traits you were born with are not a lifestyle. They are traits you were born with.

Though I agree with you that sexual orientation is primarily genetic and biological, it isn't solely that. Just a quick search on Google provides the answer:

Scientists do not know the exact cause of sexual orientation, but they theorize that it is caused by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences. Although no single theory on the cause of sexual orientation has yet gained widespread support, scientists favor biologically based theories.

Sexual orientation - Wikipedia


Again, though, I generally agree with you. I also agree with Oddish though. You might be born with a certain orientation but how you choose to live your life is, of course, up to you.

Unless you are homeschooling them and never allow them to mingle with other children, they will very likely already have encountered children with these "other gender identities" that you find so confusing.

They've encountered and played with one gender neutral kid a few years older than them so far as I recall. They were probably around 7 or 8 at the time. I don't think they even realized that there was anything different about them.

Other than that, I'm not aware of any other LGBQT child they've encountered or are aware of. It's possible they have but if these kids were out, I'm pretty sure I would've heard about it.

After all, I assume that your state doesn't require people to sew labels on their clothing (yet) to inform others of such personal information.

Um, no, California doesn't require that, thankfully. How about yours?

No, really? Are they so wrapped in cotton wool that they wouldn't already know about it from school, or is my guess of homeschooling and isolation correct?

No, I'm afraid you guessed wrong. It's been public school all the way except for 3rd grade for the girl at parochial. She just finished 4th grade back in public school.

Honestly, you are not the victim here. You might not actively hate, but you don't demonstrate much beyond grudging tolerance. I'm really disappointed to find this on a Star Trek site. You know, IDIC, and all that sort of stuff.


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Isn't tolerance, civility, and justice enough?

As for IDIC, right back at you. It goes both ways.
 
You might be born with a certain orientation but how you choose to live your life is, of course, up to you.
Exactly. How people choose to live their lives is up to them. That goes, no matter what.

They've encountered and played with one gender neutral kid a few years older than them so far as I recall. They were probably around 7 or 8 at the time. I don't think they even realized that there was anything different about them.
Were they harmed by these interactions?

Other than that, I'm not aware of any other LGBQT child they've encountered or are aware of. It's possible they have but if these kids were out, I'm pretty sure I would've heard about it.
Why are you that sure? Do you not think it possible that kids would feel more comfortable coming out to their age peers, but not to adults they don't know if they can trust?

Um, no, California doesn't require that, thankfully. How about yours?
I'm in Canada. Same-sex relationships were decriminalized in 1968, and same-sex marriage was legalized in 2005. Sexual orientation is one of the bases on which people cannot legally be discriminated against, according to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Isn't tolerance, civility, and justice enough?
Tolerance has such a grudging way about it. Acceptance has a much better ring.

As for IDIC, right back at you. It goes both ways.
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination, including intolerance?

O-kay...
 
Do you think Chakotay and Seven were together long after returning to Earth? Some break up must have happened before she joined the Rangers.
Chakotay and the rest of the maquis terrorists were probably arrested five minutes after Voyager returned and Seven noped out of that relationship.
 
Chakotay and the rest of the maquis terrorists were probably arrested five minutes after Voyager returned and Seven noped out of that relationship.

I think they offered Chak the position that was initially reserved for Neelix, ambassador of quadrupeds....:D
 
Tolerance has such a grudging way about it. Acceptance has a much better ring.

Agreed, but only tolerance should be enforced by any law, or any public institutional rule.

Chakotay and the rest of the maquis terrorists were probably arrested five minutes after Voyager returned and Seven noped out of that relationship.

If they were, they were probably released within hours, with a full pardon. And if any admiral or JAG officer had a problem with that, Janeway probably just gave them her patented Death Glare, and problem solved.

The Equinox's surviving crew, on the other hand... I doubt they got off so lightly.
 
Were they harmed by these interactions?

Nope. Why should they be? The parents were family friends.

Why are you that sure?

Because I'm pretty honest with my kids and I encourage them to ask questions.

Do you not think it possible that kids would feel more comfortable coming out to their age peers, but not to adults they don't know if they can trust?

Oh, sure.

I'm in Canada. Same-sex relationships were decriminalized in 1968, and same-sex marriage was legalized in 2005. Sexual orientation is one of the bases on which people cannot legally be discriminated against, according to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Good for Canada. We have a lot of that in the US too, as you know.


Tolerance has such a grudging way about it. Acceptance has a much better ring.

Did Captain Sisko ever accept that the Bajoran prophets were gods? Yet the Starfleet and Bajoran members on DS9 were able to work and form friendships despite the Bajoran religious beliefs. Same with Worf's beliefs on TNG. They were respected but not shared by his crewmates.

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination, including intolerance?

O-kay...

I never said that.
 
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