News Captain Pike Has Been Cast
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He really isn't. Kirk had the exact same issue with having a female Yeoman.
See "The Corbimite Maneuver" and Kirk's conversation with McCoy about Rand.
But I will guarantee that they will make Pike a very flawed character on STD. They can't have him be an awesome badass and make Burnham look inferior in comparison. They will do something to him that makes him look shady or weak. That's my biggest reservation about bringing Pike and friends onto this series.
Ah. Well, I wouldn't worry too much about that either. Number One and Yeoman Colt have had three years to sand down Pike's rough edges, and his experience with Vina may well have prompted a rethink on his attitude (such as it was) toward women.
Nah, that'll be Number One's job. (Being an awesome badass, I mean, not flawed.) Especially if she's the one about to take the captain's chair of the Discovery.
He was flawed in "The Cage" as well.
Not quite the same thing.
Very much so. It's almost a point of the episode.
About Kirk? He said he disliked the idea of having a female Yeoman, and then he said he already has a female to worry about... and her name is the Enterprise.
It was a reworked version of Pike being annoyed at the Colt girl.
Well this time in a less endearing way on STD. I still say Pike in one episode (The Cage) was far more compelling a lead and respectable as hero than divisive Burnham during STD's entire S1 run. They will have to do something with him (and likely Spock) that will put them in a position for Burnham and friends to save them and show them de way.
Minus the line about women on the bridge.
Maybe.
Regardless, I've always liked Pike, flaws and all, so DISCO can't do a whole lot to make me hate him.
And I like Burnham too.
Flawed is one thing. He was actually kind of whiney in The Cage. Complaining about the drag of being in charge of hundreds of people, deciding who lives and who dies, etc, etc., like this was some kind of new revelation about the burdens of command that he never knew existed until recently. Just how long had he been Captain by that point? He seemed a joyless character without any of the wonder and amazement we saw from Kirk. He never demonstrated what a privilege it was to do what he was doing, just grousing about having to do it and grumbling through the entire episode.
Now, that being said, I think this is an insanely awesome casting choice. I hope Mount brings a greater depth to the character that he deserves.
It wouldn’t be anyway. It would look more like the Cage era bridge.
The novel stated they wore the correct uniforms so who knows. As long as it’s not those godawful STD ones.
It's not as if people were cool with slavery in 1964, either. The context of that conversation is important; Pike was merely ruminating about going into business in the colonies, and Boyce rebuked him with a sarcastic remark about dealing in green slave women, to drive home the point that Pike shouldn't be considering other options, he should be facing his challenges as captain. It's not as if either one of them took that specific option seriously.
That was part of his character development within the episode itself. He went from being burned out by the demands of being Captain after his away team was murdered, to having a new appreciation for his life after seeing how many other possibilities would have left him unfulfilled.
Pike character had so much potential to explore.
It works in context. Especially when followed with the 'No offense Number One, you're different of course.'
Humour was on point, and you could tell that Pike was restraining his smile/laughter at the ridiculousness of the situation. One of his few moments of levity.
This conversation. So deep:
Sadly, we definitely haven't got anything close to this level of discussion on Discovery. To me, "The Cage" is as perfect of a Star Trek episode as you can get, and way ahead of it's time.
That would be even more unlikely.
That wasn't quite the point of my semi-facetious comment. It's not that they took the idea seriously or not, it's that the idea was even spoken at all.
It implies that Number One gets a pass for some reason. Probably the one mentioned later in the episode.
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