Well, in general the world hadn't heard of S.H.I.E.L.D. until the alien invasion in New York (per 'The Avengers' film); so, yes, the organization was good at keeping its existence secret to the majority of the world.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier Discussion Thread - SPOILERS
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Well, in general the world hadn't heard of S.H.I.E.L.D. until the alien invasion in New York (per 'The Avengers' film); so, yes, the organization was good at keeping its existence secret to the majority of the world.
They still haven't heard of S.H.I.E.L.D by the time of Thor 2.
Darcy mentions them to her intern and he seems oblivious at least.
All of that is out the window now, of course.
Romanov really makes Snowden look like an amateur.
"Een Russia, ven vissleblowing, ve blow really hard!"
"In Russia, whistle blows you"
They still haven't heard of S.H.I.E.L.D by the time of Thor 2.
Darcy mentions them to her intern and he seems oblivious at least.
All of that is out the window now, of course.
Romanov really makes Snowden look like an amateur.
"Een Russia, ven vissleblowing, ve blow really hard!"
Well maybe public knowledge of S.H.I.E.L.D.is like public knowledge of some lesser known law enforcement agency like the ATF or a scientific agency like the USGS. Well-educated people are certainly aware but since S.H.I.E.L.D.isn't ubiquitous like local police, not everyone is aware. After all, it's not like S.H.I.E.L.D.tries to attract news crews and plus, S.H.I.E.L.D. must have publicly announced themselves when they cordoned off the crash site of Mjolnir in Thor.
"Een Russia, ven vissleblowing, ve blow really hard!"
Can you blow my whistle baby, whistle baby let me know.
You mean like how Kennedy was a Skrull that S.H.I.E.L.D. felt compelled to take out?
So, I get CA is still kinda new to all of this "modern life" thing but does he not know how snack vending machines work?
Did he really think that putting the flash-drive into snack machine was a good way to hide it? There it is, sitting in the coil obviously a flash-drive or flash-drive-like object and he just leaves it! Did he not think that someone would come along and at the very least buy up all of the packs of gum ahead of it and then the next person would get the drive? Or that someone would see this device in there and put a large amount of money in the machine to retrieve the drive (what Black Widow did.) Yeah, he was a bit pressed for time but I'm sure there were other options.
Did he really think that putting the flash-drive into snack machine was a good way to hide it? There it is, sitting in the coil obviously a flash-drive or flash-drive-like object and he just leaves it! Did he not think that someone would come along and at the very least buy up all of the packs of gum ahead of it and then the next person would get the drive? Or that someone would see this device in there and put a large amount of money in the machine to retrieve the drive (what Black Widow did.) Yeah, he was a bit pressed for time but I'm sure there were other options.
Is anyone here an Algerian or has met lots of Algerians? Cause I feel that the casting of Georges St-Pierre is whitewashing, but I don't know any real Algerians to get their take on it.
I still think it was the Comedian on the grassy knoll. (Assuming Kennedy wasn't shot by his own alternate future self.)
I dunno. As far as easily accessible hiding places at that moment went, it's one of the last places that I would look. Black Widow found it pretty quickly but she was nearby when he hid it and was able to put 2-and-2 together.
Though it would have been better if he could have hidden them in a box of hamdingers.
Agreed. Those are always my favorites. This one is right up there with Thor & Thor: The Dark World. The Daredevil one also works without him but works even better when you know it's him.
IMO, the worst ones are the ones where Stan Lee just shows up to randomly be Stan Lee, like Spider-Man 3 & Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer.
Come on now, that's a rookie mistake.Damn, I missed out on the 2nd after credits scene
They've always had and end credit ever since their first film, Iron Man 1.
Except for The Incredible Hulk.
Lately, I've been finding that, when they do a mid-credit scene, the final end credits scene is usually pretty lame. The shwarma bit at the end of The Avengers was kinda funny the first time. But the ones in Captain America: The Winter Soldier & Thor: The Dark World weren't really worth my time.
I don't know. Maybe. Mostly, I was confused by why Abed Nadir was working for SHIELD. It makes me wonder if perhaps Senor Chang was a rogue HYDRA agent.
Well, of course, no one likes hamdingers.
Thank you. I was wondering how long it would take someone to pick up on the reference.
Thank you. I was wondering how long it would take someone to pick up on the reference.
To me, The Dark World one was the only one recently that actually worked. Hell, even this week's Agents of SHIELD one didn't do much (although I suppose Ward staring is somewhat similar to Bucky staring). The Dark World helped bring back some of the tone of the movie after the abrupt change with the Collector. It showed Thor coming to Earth to stay as he needed to. Finally, that little thing jumping around at the end was worth a laugh. I thought all that added something.
Bucky seeing who he was is a nice little explanation, but I'm not sure it was really needed. Compared to the previous scene, it seemed just tacked on.
Sure and I think they'll explain it a bit more next movie. But I also think that's something that could easily have happened off screen as well. I have no problem with the scene, but it didn't really contribute much overall.
Bucky's scene underscores the idea that Hydra has lost control of him and that we can expect him to be a free agent now.
Sure, I don't disagree with any of that. But I still don't think it adds much that wouldn't have to be rehashed next movie anyway or could have been inferred from what would have to be established next movie.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine and I don't really care much either way. But let's do a thought game. Imagine if we were charged per second of screentime. I think I'd rather save the money based on what we got. That's what I mean by not really adding much.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine and I don't really care much either way. But let's do a thought game. Imagine if we were charged per second of screentime. I think I'd rather save the money based on what we got. That's what I mean by not really adding much.
^ I have what I think is a larger criticism that affects this particular issue. I felt that the film suffered (in a relatively minor way, given how much it kicked ass in others) from not having Bucky have been a character that I felt attached to.
Even in the first film, something was off in Bucky's and Steve's relationship, chemistry-wise (by which I mean it's hard to exactly put my finger on why). I feel like we got to know Steve really, really well, and Bucky almost not at all. He was basically just Steve's big buddy who stuck up for him. After his return, he, what, failed to score Peggy, took out a sniper, fought heroically side-by-side Cap, and apparently died. Zip and gone. In this film, he was all but a zombie almost all the time. That's the source of both the problem and strength of the final post-credits scene for me. There's a character beat there, but there's practically no character there, for the beat to be for. Yet on the other hand, it's the first, and only, scene when we can see that the lights might be coming back on at home, because we get to look into his eyes. In other words, it's at most the second character beat for Bucky himself (the first, as you said, being pulling Cap out of the water, but crucially to the point of failing to constitute a full-blown character beat, for reasons he does not know), and that's in a film in which he's the (sub)titular character!
In fact, this is a good place for me to say what I'd been thinking right after seeing TWS, which is that both CA films might be improved by being lengthened, primarily in order to strengthen the bond between Steve and Bucky.
Even in the first film, something was off in Bucky's and Steve's relationship, chemistry-wise (by which I mean it's hard to exactly put my finger on why). I feel like we got to know Steve really, really well, and Bucky almost not at all. He was basically just Steve's big buddy who stuck up for him. After his return, he, what, failed to score Peggy, took out a sniper, fought heroically side-by-side Cap, and apparently died. Zip and gone. In this film, he was all but a zombie almost all the time. That's the source of both the problem and strength of the final post-credits scene for me. There's a character beat there, but there's practically no character there, for the beat to be for. Yet on the other hand, it's the first, and only, scene when we can see that the lights might be coming back on at home, because we get to look into his eyes. In other words, it's at most the second character beat for Bucky himself (the first, as you said, being pulling Cap out of the water, but crucially to the point of failing to constitute a full-blown character beat, for reasons he does not know), and that's in a film in which he's the (sub)titular character!
In fact, this is a good place for me to say what I'd been thinking right after seeing TWS, which is that both CA films might be improved by being lengthened, primarily in order to strengthen the bond between Steve and Bucky.
