You mean like surviving unscathed frozen in a block of ice in the Arctic for 70 years?
He was superhuman right from the start of the films.
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He was superhuman right from the start of the films.
Alright, the Cap holding down the helicopter gave me pause too, but I think I can talk my way around this one.....
- The rotors weren't at full speed yet. If they weren't at full speed, they wouldn't be able to lift the sudden additional weight.
- It was still in ground-effect. With a heavy load, helicopters can't perform a fully vertical takeoff. They lift a few feet off the ground, where the "push" from the ground helps with lift, then they have to gain some forward speed before they can go any higher. (This is highly simplified, but real science. I had a class in this stuff for my degree.)
- Going over the edge of the platform loses the ground-effect. I don't remember exactly when Bucky "gunned" it to try and get away, but if he waited too long until the helicopter wasn't fully over the landing pad anymore, he would have lost a lot of lift from the ground-effect.
This version of cap has moderate super-strength. Shouldn't be hard to accept, It's not to such an extent that it redefines his character. He's still nowhere near the raw power of Vision or Thor, so his contribution to a fight is, to a large extent, his fighting skills and leadership qualities.
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Some of which were heavily encrypted.
They doing so on the basis that as the Winter Solider has was a neigh unstoppable killing machine, who is connected to a major terrorist attack. Or did you forget the par where even Cap was operating on the belief he may have done it.
I just thought of a question, would Thor have to register? As far as we know he isn't a citizen of the US or any other Earth country, and I doubt Asgard signed the Accords. Would the Accords apply to any superhuman operating in a country that signed them, or just citizens?
I think Thor would in principle be on the side of registration, but he himself would not register. The petty concerns of mortals really don't matter.
The Hulk, on the other hand would be team Cap all the way. Banner spent years being pursued by Ross, and there's no way he would ever submit to anything that gives the government control over him.
The Hulk, on the other hand would be team Cap all the way. Banner spent years being pursued by Ross, and there's no way he would ever submit to anything that gives the government control over him.
Thor seems to be popular among Earth's civilian population (and Maria Hill *snicker*). But I wonder if Earth's governments would legally classify him as a soldier of a foreign nation.
Talk yourself around why? It's clear from everything he has super strength. That makes it really easy to explain. There's been nothing in the movies to suggest he doesn't nor any reason to think he doesn't.
I think they would apply for anyone operating in any of the countries that signed it. Everyone thinks of Thor as an Avenger, so I doubt they'd write the law that would leave him out.
Who else in the MCU would require that level of containment? Few of the movie villains have even survived. Let's do a rundown:
Obidiah Stane: Dead.
Whiplash: Dead.
Justin Hammer: Presumably in prison but not physically dangerous enough to merit the Raft.
Loki: Presumed dead. Actually impersonating Odin on the throne of Asgard.
Red Skull: Missing, presumed dead.
Dr. Zola: Died of cancer in the 1970s. Brought back as a computer program which was destroyed in a missile strike.
Aldrich Killian: Dead. Although I suppose some of his fellow AIM soldiers might have survived and been captured.
The Mandarin/Trevor Slattery: Was arrested at the end of Iron Man 3, but I'm told someone broke him out of prison in one of the One-Shots.
Malekith the Accursed: Dead.
Winder Soldier: Currently at large.
Alexander Pierce: Dead.
Ronan the Accuser: Dead.
Nebula: Currently at large, and not on Earth anyway.
Baron Von Strucker: Dead, murdered by Ultron.
Ultron: Dead.
Ulysses Klaue: Presumably still at large.
Darren Cross: Dead.
Crossbones: Dead.
Colonel Zemo: In prison.
Abomination: It's been so long since I've seen The Incredible Hulk that I honestly don't remember.
So, few if any from the movies that are still alive, in custody, and merit the Raft. I don't know if there are any from Agents of SHIELD that fill out the numbers.
Which kinda proves Black Widow's point: At least with one hand on the wheel you can still steer.
That keeps happening. I was similarly surprised that Baron Von Strucker got killed off so quickly (and off-screen at that) in Age of Ultron. And after his teaser appearance in Thor: The Dark World, I expected the Collector to have a much larger role than he did in Guardians of the Galaxy.
So, before they established that the Parkers were SHIELD agents, what was the Red Skull's supposed reason for killing them?
*groan* Yeah.
I've never read it but I read a synopsis of it. 
Some things just need to be burned.Apart from the fact that he's a genius billionaire inventor, being Tony Stark kinda sucks. Despite all his wealth & power, few things seem to go his way. He nearly died in a bomb blast and only survived by putting a giant electromagnet into his chest where his sternum should be. He got captured by the Ten Rings and discovered that they were using his own weapons against innocent civilians. He failed to save Yinsen during their escape attempt. Obidiah Stane, his surrogate father, turned out to be a jealous, murderous lunatic who tried to kill him multiple times. The miniature Arc-reactor in his chest nearly killed him with palladium poisoning. He had a strained relationship with his father, made worse by the fact that people like Nick Fury & Steve Rogers keep talking about what a great guy Howard Stark was. (Tony should try hanging out with Hank Pym some time. They may not have much in common but at least they're both non-members of the Howard Stark fan club.) He suffered PTSD after the Chitauri invasion of New York. His attempt to create a benevolent world-saving A.I. turned into a genocidal murder-bot. He feels guilt-ridden about all of the collateral damage that the Avengers & Ultron have caused. His attempt to make amends by subjecting the Avengers to oversight fractured the team in half. The resulting battle crippled his best friend. He & Pepper broke up. He discovered that his parents were murdered and then fails to avenge them.
Tony Stark is a popular enough character that it makes sense that they would keep bringing him back in Age of Ultron & Civil War. But I'm still kinda bummed that he didn't get to keep the happy ending that he got in Iron Man 3.
Some of that bothered me too. I sometimes think Hollywood has no sense of physics at all. Now, since I don't know exactly how strong Captain America is supposed to be, I was OK with the latter part where he was holding the helicopter with one hand and the helipad with the other. But when he was just standing on the ground pulling the helicopter down, that shouldn't have worked. He's not that heavy. He should have gone up with the helicopter. (There's a similar scene in Underworld: Evolution that bothers me, where Markus uses a rope to pull down a helicopter even though he's not that heavy. The effect should have been for him to climb the rope.)
Superman is slightly different because he could provide some kind of reverse thrust through his flying powers. (I'm convinced that he generates some kind of anti-gravity field that he can transfer through touch. It's the only way that the scenes with him flying with Lois Lane in the 1978 movie make any sense.)
I doubt that Hydra would have kept extensive computer records of all of their many perfidious deeds on SHIELD servers. I suspect little things like doctoring autopsy reports would have been kept off the books; more of a handshake deal.
On the other hand, Ross said that, if they didn't want to submit to supervision, they could retire. Considering Banner clearly doesn't want to be found, that would seem like a sort of retirement. (I wonder if part of the Sokovia Accords says that there will be no further attempts to weaponize the Hulk or any similar gamma-based super-humans.)
Since he's technically crown prince of Asgard, would that give him some kind of diplomatic immunity?
Ross's actual offspring could recommend a good psychiatrist....
I don't think this follows what's been established in previous films. If that were Tony's psychology, he wouldn't have stopped manufacturing weapons for the government (IM); he wouldn't have fought to keep his armor tech out of government hands and set himself up as a one-man answer to national security (IM2); he wouldn't have mistrusted SHIELD, covertly uncovered their true motives, and outed them (Avengers); etc.
Diplomatic Immunity only applies when one government recoginzes another and they have some sort of diplomatic relationship? Is there an Asgardian embassy in the U.S.?
I can see trying to exercise some sort of oversight over Thor when he's on Earth, but Ross is deluded if he thinks that anyone on Earth has any say over what he or other Asgardians do when they're offworld. He could learn some perspective from Fury: "I didn't make it. I just didn't argue with the god that did."
Imprisoning the crown prince to an alien planet that's about 10,000 years more advanced than you is probably a massively bad idea.
As for the raft, obviously it's been built for the threats that have yet to appear, because that the rate they're popping up, there's bound to be more.
As for the raft, obviously it's been built for the threats that have yet to appear, because that the rate they're popping up, there's bound to be more.
He lived, and a reference in Season 1 of Agents of SHIELD established that he was being kept in a SHIELD facility before the old SHIELD fell. Who has custody of him nowadays is a Very Good Question.
Shown in the one-shot All Hail The King to be in the same prison that Slattery is broken out of by agents of the Ten Rings and their real Mandarin.
S.H.I.E.L.D. had Blonsky in cryo-stasis in Barrow, Alaska as per the episode "T.R.A.C.K.S."; however, this was before its collapse, so who knows whether he's still there. A few episodes later, a seemingly different S.H.I.E.L.D. facility called the Fridge was raided by Hydra and all its prisoners freed. (There were a number of them with powers, including Johnny Horton/Griffin who was mentioned but not seen.) And Inhumans have been popping up left and right.
My point is that this is what he's brought to in this film, part of what colors his actions throughout it. The consequences of all the things he's done up to now are weighing heavily on him at the beginning of it. So while he genuinely believes that oversight is a real necessity, on some level what he really wants is to be free of the mounting guilt he feels. The next time something bad happens he wants for there to be a higher authority which can be blamed for it, whereas he can tell himself he was just carrying out their orders and/or had their approval.
I really think Pepper having left him is a flashing sign that he has hit or is on his way to rock bottom. She was sort of the one to reign him in and be his conscience (yet also an enabler) in the Iron Man fims. I some sense, she was a surrogate mother to him. (And I think it no coincidence, now that we've seen Maria, that she generally resembles Pepper.) Tony has lost his parents, despite knowing he needs them, and so he seeks replacements.
I think that the through-line of Stark's behavior across the various films is that he is a control freak, he's always trying to get ahead of the situation, and he feels great responsibility for things that he's brought into the world. In this particular case, it involves siding with international authorities to try to reign in the genie of enhanced individuals that he helped let out of the bottle.
I'm a little suprised no one mentioned yet, but did you notice a certain word repeated at least 3 times with subtitles in the movie? I wonder if that was some kind of hidden message to watch the Spider-Man movie? 
Then the next movie can be called Spider-Man: Freight Car!
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