Spoilers Captain America: Civil War - Grading & Discussion
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Yes, because athletes and soldiers at maximum human potential frequently jump out of planes at 10,000 feet without a parachute because they're absolutely convinced crashing into a cold ocean at night at terminal velocity won't hurt them or even slightly slow them down before their mission to singlehandedly take down a ship full of terrorists.
And before you cite examples of some people surviving falling from planes without parachutes, I'm well aware of that, but that doesn't mean we have people swan diving out of planes without parachutes all the time because they're 100% certain it's no more difficult for them than jumping from the lowest diving board at the YMCA pool.
He's more than just peak physical condition in the MCU. He's got superhuman strength, speed, and stamina. Not nearly as much as Thor or Hulk, but well beyond what any normal human could hope to achieve by spending 24/7 at the gym for decades and pounding steroid cocktails like the love child of Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds.
- In Agents of SHIELD, cyborg Mike Peterson/Deathlok pushed a 40-ton bulldozer at a sprint across a grassy field with the tracks digging into the ground the whole way yet was said to come "nowhere close" to Captain America's record breaking time doing the same thing.
- In The Winter Soldier, Falcon specifically remarks on Cap being much heavier than a normal person of his size, as he strains Falcon's suit jets almost to the point of failure before they finally recover.
- In the same film, Cap jumps from ~30 stories up on the Triskelion, falls through a metal and glass roof, and lands on concrete. He used his shield to absorb some of the impact, but half his body was uncovered. He shook it off in a second.
- In Age of Ultron, Cap casually flips his ~600 lb. motorcycle over his head and into the back of a Humvee like he's tossing a backpack in the truckbed, and brings the truck to a complete stop in the process.
- In The First Avenger, Cap catches up with a submarine underwater, opens the canopy, and then tosses the pilot completely out of the water and 10 feet into the air onto the dock.
He kicks entire cars out of the way, throws people twenty feet through the air, crashes through things that would leave a normal human shattered inside, chases down speeding cars, and survives blasts from Ironman's energy weapons and punches that would crush armored vehicles.
He's superhuman.
Plus, helicopters can be accidentally pulled down or flipped over by something as simple as a tie-down that wasn't detached before takeoff. They're finicky when they're hovering.
Attached tie-down assemblies protect the rotorcraft from possible damage during, for example, rough seas and/or windy conditions. Before taking off, all tie-down assemblies and tie-down devices must be detached; however, sometimes, during exigent circumstances or emergency situations, one or more rotorcraft tie-down devices may be inadvertently left attached, limiting rotorcraft mobility and perhaps causing the rotorcraft to flip over. An attempted take-off occurs when the rotorcraft begins to lift off of the support surface. A noticeable amount of helicopter accidents are related to attempted take-offs while rotorcraft tie-down devices are attached...
http://www.google.com/patents/US20150191255
(And yes, I know the boat weighs considerably more than Cap and that their was also the drag from the ocean and other factors, but I'm just pointing out that it's not that hard to make a hovering helicopter crash)
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Not so much a pair of 30-megaton nukes as a pair of really loud firecrackers.
What's more interesting is that back in a season 3 episode, "The Lottery," the Hulk successfully stops a helicopter from taking off by himself (standing on the ground, holding onto the helicopter with both hands). His older self must have been out of shape from the series being off the air for several years.
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Yeah, and TV Hulk could do this, which is way cooler.
Hulk endanger species.
Hulk endanger species.
To be fair - most people could toss a carnival cotton-stuffed bear like that one a LOOOONG way...Yeah, and TV Hulk could do this, which is way cooler.
Hulk endanger species.
Major Ursa is a reasonable fun D-List Russian Super Soldier.
The Spider-Man villain Grizzly is currently working for Ant-Man as a security consultant.
The Spider-Man villain Grizzly is currently working for Ant-Man as a security consultant.
Thank you. Some cannot accept how the character's abilities have been defined all along in the MCU...and others have a difficult time with the fact that movie Iron Man is not so invincible after all--especially when facing a man who took IM to school on combating an enemy no matter what weapons are used.
Part of the Civil War plot dealt with all levels of Stark's arrogance in his assuming everyone would just see his "sense" in signing a document that places handcuffs on the Avengers, his MCU-long voyage of seeking absolute control (as if he knows what's best for the world), along with other acts in the same neighborhood. His belief in his "superiority" over two enhanced men was yet another example of his arrogance, which ended in utter defeat.
I thought they were being funny.
But no, Mikhail Urus is just named after the constellation Ursa Major.
However...
So yes, his full title is Major Ursa Major, but I doubt anyone calls him that.
(Catch 22 flash back anyone?)
Yeah, becuase Rhodey was so negatively impacted by working for the US government. What with them sending him after the supposed bad guy of Iron Man 3.
^USAF Colonel James "Rhodey" Rhodes was already an employee of the US government at that point. He was doing his job and following orders. His role originally existed basically to get the government off of Tony's back about sharing his technology. He didn't start out as a superhero persee.
The difference is that as a free citizen and a professional serviceman, he can at any time *choose* to resign his commission and pursue a civilian life. Now under the act, he can probably still do that since when he's out of the suit, he's basically an ordinary person. The same is not true for Wanda, Vision, Daisy, Peter, Bruce, Jessica, Luke, Matt or any of the potentially thousands of people with innate powers beyond the human norm.
There options within the accords are to either do as they are told and *only* as they are told or face indefinite internment or onerous restrictions to nullify or contain their powers.
The problem with the first part is a moral one, since as Cap points out, what if the government sends them into a situation not to do good, but to serve a political agenda? Or worse, forbid them from intervening in a tragedy because it's politically inconvenient.
To me the argument boils down to this: while the power of one of these in the hands of an individual is potentially scary, the collective power of all of them in the hands of a political entity is downright terrifying. It's the old security at the expense of freedom hand-off.
I think most people would be better off living in a slightly more dangerous world than existing safely with their faces under a jackboot.
The difference is that as a free citizen and a professional serviceman, he can at any time *choose* to resign his commission and pursue a civilian life. Now under the act, he can probably still do that since when he's out of the suit, he's basically an ordinary person. The same is not true for Wanda, Vision, Daisy, Peter, Bruce, Jessica, Luke, Matt or any of the potentially thousands of people with innate powers beyond the human norm.
There options within the accords are to either do as they are told and *only* as they are told or face indefinite internment or onerous restrictions to nullify or contain their powers.
The problem with the first part is a moral one, since as Cap points out, what if the government sends them into a situation not to do good, but to serve a political agenda? Or worse, forbid them from intervening in a tragedy because it's politically inconvenient.
To me the argument boils down to this: while the power of one of these in the hands of an individual is potentially scary, the collective power of all of them in the hands of a political entity is downright terrifying. It's the old security at the expense of freedom hand-off.
I think most people would be better off living in a slightly more dangerous world than existing safely with their faces under a jackboot.
Sign on or retire, this was flat out said. Just becuase the Avengers got arrested becuase they helped a wanted fugitive escape from custody does not mean the Accords or now suddenly the gestapo.
The amount of people who think vigilantism is a protected right is astounding.
As seen by Kirk getting bitch slapped had in Into Darkness despite despite saving the world in the previous movie, or how in IV he was still demoted and forked over to the Klingons from trial in VI despite again saving the planet.
At first I was disappointed we didn't get Hulk and Thor, but then I realized that they are probably to powerful to really make things fair anyways. If they were on the same side, they'd be able to take out pretty the whole other side by themselves, and if they were opposite teams they'd just take everyone else out and we'd just end up with a big Hulk/Thor fight. By not having them it leaves both teams a lot more well balanced in terms of abilities.
I keep seeing people talking about Daredevil being treated as somebody who has superpowers, but at least as of DD Season 2, I don't think that is common knowledge.
None of his powers really manifest themselves in way that is obvious to people who don't he's blind, so he could at least probably get away with not registering as enhanced.
I keep seeing people talking about Daredevil being treated as somebody who has superpowers, but at least as of DD Season 2, I don't think that is common knowledge.
The only people I think know are Foggy, Elektra, Claire, Stick, and after the finale probably Karen.
The way the Sokovia Accords were presented in the movie didn't really make it look like they had much to do with the Superhuman Registration Act from the comics as much as just regulating the actions of the Avengers themselves.
But if those Accords were meant to apply to all superheroes, then because they obviously apply to Black Widow, who isn't superpowered, they should apply to Daredevil as well.
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