Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident

[Yistaan]

She did get quite a bit of quick character development. In nuTrek that generally does mean they are going to bite it.

I'm still holding onto my prediction... the twist of the whole situation is that the Gorn ship that shows up and abducts the crew is actually there to help. They just operate in an alien way. Their claiming the planet is really intended to be more of a quarantine. They don't HAVE to reproduce like that, they have other methods, but there are those among the Gorn who prefer to do it the old fashioned way and immature Gorn are generally out of the control and act on instinct. The Gorn abducted the crew to save them and perform a procedure to remove the nascent Gorn without killing them.

The Gorn ship that arrives are "good guys". They're trying to clean up the mess.

It adds an interesting layer... the Gorn that was stalking Chapel in the wreckage of the other ship wasn't trying to kill her... he was trying to rescue her...

We already know from the Kelvin movies that there can be pregnant Gorn, so your theory has some validity to it. That being said, if it really is TOS Gorn showing up and they're here to help, why are the TOS Gorn still hostile to the Fed in Kirk's time?

As for Pike and Batel--

Pike: So now you know everything.

Batel: Ok, I've got to go.

Pike: You're dumping me now?

Batel: No you moron, I'm going to start researching for a cure for severe delta radiation exposure. I'm taking Dr. M'Benga with me. When he's back on the Enterprise you'll know that a cure has been found. Don't do anything stupid like running off to a quarantined planet in the meantime.

 

[fireproof78]

second... I feel like that's quite un-Star Trekish. I would expect exactly the opposite, Pike tells Batel everything, and she's totally accepting of it. "Positive vision of the future" and all that.

I'm not sure that Star Trek is really the place for "brutally honest". Star Trek is, or at least should be, about the positive. A beacon of hope that things don't need to be the way they are.

Not everything works out positively. SNW hews closer to TOS on that, allowing for a greater exploration of the human experience, rather than looking only at the positive.

Early TNG was awful at this. Riker was supposed to be ok with letting a child die, but absolutely beside himself that Troi was engaged to another guy.

Positive vision sometimes rings very hollow.

 

[evilchumlee]

We already know from the Kelvin movies that there can be pregnant Gorn, so your theory has some validity to it. That being said, if it really is TOS Gorn showing up and they're here to help, why are the TOS Gorn still hostile to the Fed in Kirk's time?

It doesn't necessarily make them benevolent good guys... my theory here is more the Gorn just containing their mess. It's less about actively helping the Federation, more about enforcing their OWN laws and what not, that their people shouldn't be invading worlds and doing this. Their response is more "Sorry Federation, don't want a war, also go away now."

As for Pike and Batel--

Pike: So now you know everything.

Batel: Ok, I've got to go.

Pike: You're dumping me now?

Batel: No you moron, I'm going to start researching for a cure for severe delta radiation exposure. I'm taking Dr. M'Benga with me. When he's back on the Enterprise you'll know that a cure has been found. Don't do anything stupid like running off to a quarantined planet in the meantime.

Which is realistically why Pike can't/won't tell anyone who doesn't already he know. He ALSO knows what happens if he survives... it's not good.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Early TNG was awful at this. Riker was supposed to be ok with letting a child die, but absolutely beside himself that Troi was engaged to another guy.

Riker was very much not okay with letting a child die. In Hide and Q it led to a conflict between him and Picard that set up the final act, with Riker wanting to use Q's powers to save lives and Picard feeling that it'd save more lives to stop Riker from turning into Gary Mitchell.

 

[Yistaan]

Which is realistically why Pike can't/won't tell anyone who doesn't already he know. He ALSO knows what happens if he survives... it's not good.

You missed the point of my post, which is that Batel's going to find a cure for such a treatment if he survives (even if it's transferring Pike's mind to a clone body or something--we have a universe where transporter tech is a thing after all). Pike keeping it secret means they're that much behind on getting ahead for the research.

Riker was very much not okay with letting a child die. In Hide and Q it led to a conflict between him and Picard that set up the final act, with Riker wanting to use Q's powers to save lives and Picard feeling that it'd save more lives to stop Riker from turning into Gary Mitchell.

Kirk: What does god need with a starship?
God: ... Jim?
Kirk: Gary?!

 

[fireproof78]

Riker was very much not okay with letting a child die. In Hide and Q it led to a conflict between him and Picard that set up the final act, with Riker wanting to use Q's powers to save lives and Picard feeling that it'd save more lives to stop Riker from turning into Gary Mitchell.

I said "supposed to." As in, accept this child's death, with all the warmth of a check box. Same in the Bonding. That went through a draft process and Michael Piller was told the original idea doesn't work because people don't mourn in the future, per Roddenberry.

 

[The Wormhole]

The Bonding is all kinds of messed up. Telling a child he has to get over the death of his mother and move on on the day she died. Truly awful.

 

[Frontis]

I hope the writers surprise us with something unexpected.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

The Bonding is all kinds of messed up. Telling a child he has to get over the death of his mother and move on on the day she died. Truly awful.

Yoda did the same thing with Anakin Skywalker and look how that turned out for everyone.

 

[Noname Given]

He'll be on his horse Tango, riding the Talosian Prairies and being deafened by those loud fucking plants.

While Vina dances for him in her Green Orion Slave girl guise.

 

[Finn]

The Bonding is all kinds of messed up. Telling a child he has to get over the death of his mother and move on on the day she died. Truly awful.

It has been a while since I did my last rewatch, but I seem to recall them being concerned about him not being able to process his loss due to the entity, rather than not moving on right away? They were more concerned that the entity was not allowing Jeremy to grieve in a healthy way.