IMO, both of you are correct lol.
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IMO, both of you are correct lol.
I've always counted a third 5YM starting with TFF before TUC, and could see it being 7 years easily.
But does that fit the 15 years from Space Seed?
My headcanon has always been 3 missions, TOS, one after TMP, and one after TFF, with downtime for refits and reassignments in between.
As the ship presented on screen in that film?
Hardly.
I'm sure we all physically look exactly the same, with no phenotype variation. Same with all dogs, all lizards, all cats
The Italian battleship Conte di Cavour - the top illustration shows her in her World War I configuration. The bottom illustration shows her post-moderization. The reconstruction lasted from Oct 1933 to June 1937, four years, which is one to two years more than the Enterprise refit. You could say that the TMP Enterprise looks closer to its original TOS configuration than the Conte di Cavour did after her reconstruction.
I could.
But the Enterprise always struck me as less mutable than a real world naval vessel, so I still treat it as different from the TOS configuration. Too different to be the same.
This happened for real quite recently. The cutter yacht Tally-Ho was rebuilt over 7 years from the ground up. She always retained a "boat shape" but almost every piece of wood was eventually replaced, and what little was able to be reused (mostly on the stern) had to be recut so it's not in exactly the same place as it was before. They even re-poured the keel, but melted the original keel to reuse the lead. But she's still Tally-ho, she just got several decades of refits and repairs all at once.
The refit is a refit of the TOS ship. Probably a from the ground up refit. If SNW does a leap to a post TMP setting, I'd expect a design that takes it's cues from the refit in the same way the SNW ship takes it's cues from TOS.
Let the fan modeling begin!!!!
Let the fan modeling begin!!!!
There's nothing stopping them from just using the TMP ship as it is. They didn't mess around with the design of the Cerritos!
They could, but I don't see it happening.
Artists and their need to change things*They could, but I don't see it happening.
*All due respect to McCoy.
A bunch of alien intruders at the end of Pike's mission used a nasty light glare weapon that reflected off all of the shiny interior of the Enterprise, visually incapacitated the crew, and allowed the aliens to commandeer the ship to Qo'noS to tell Chancellor L'Rell "Haha, your boyfriend is a surgically altered albino Section 31 spook" over all subspace channels, causing renewed hostilities with the Klingons as seen in TOS. Starfleet immediately recalled all vessels and refit them with non-shiny cardboard looking interiors so such a weapon could never be used again. There, continuity issues resolved.
The SNW Enterprise and the Refit are a lot closer proportionally than the TOS version to the Refit. All they would really need to do is maybe add a few minor details and make the airlocks a hair smaller. And that's really about it. Nothing really stands out at all on the refit at a larger scale.
I agree, all proposed modifications to the TOS ship over the years inevitably call back to the TMP design. It's arguably perfect, on the outside at least.
I like space suit Gorn.
Better than airplane Gorn.
This your pilot speaking. I will be merciful.
The novelization of 'The Undiscovered Country' has the trilogy occurring eleven years before the start of the movie and Sulu taking command of the Excelsior ten years ago - shortly after the events of 'The Final Frontier'.
If we used Okuda dates that would be 2285 (STII-STIV) + 11 years = 2296 (STVI).
'The Wrath of Khan' premiered in 1982 and 'The Undiscovered Country' in 1991; so, that's only nine years in real life.
If we used Okuda dates that would be 2285 (STII-STIV) + 11 years = 2296 (STVI).
'The Wrath of Khan' premiered in 1982 and 'The Undiscovered Country' in 1991; so, that's only nine years in real life.
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