The very first shot of the very first episode showed the exterior of the original Enterprise D, then it cut inside to the original Ten Forward. They established right from the start that they were staying true to the Next Generation and the appearance of the D at the end was consistent with that.
Still fan service.
Officially, yes. Canonically it's still getting the odd TOS dimensions thrown about the place. The Uss Cayuga was shown to have the Franz Joseph measurements on a graphical display in Hegemony
Except when it isn'tOfficially, yes. Canonically it's still getting the odd TOS dimensions thrown about the place. The Uss Cayuga was shown to have the Franz Joseph measurements on a graphical display in Hegemony.
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The USS Sombra was a similar situation, albeit for an erroneous width measurement that matches the official length of 452m. Plus going further back to DSC S2, you see the same in Brother.
Obviously, this is all stuff you're not supposed to look at too closely, but it's the 2020s and you can see this stuff in hi-def. If it's on screen, it's canon right?
When's that?
When the graphic artists get funny. (among other things)
Isn't that what Trek is good for?
The graphic wasn't legible on screen and Timothy Peel later posted the correct version to Twitter, after erroneously posting the wrong dimensions.
Good for them, really. When Timothy Peel posted that Cayuga graphic on Twitter, a whole bunch of fans were screaming for him to change it to the new official measurements....and he made one, just for them. You've got to laugh, or you'll go nuts.
Legibility depends on how you're viewing it. And yeah, I know he changed it. But that one doesn't appear on screen.The graphic wasn't legible on screen and Timothy Peel later posted the correct version to Twitter, after erroneously posting the wrong dimensions.
It's almost like it's art and not historical recreation or something
Okay you've got me there, those are clearly and incontrovertibly two different ships with entirely different structural frames that don't share any components. They share no history. They are not the same vessel by anyone's standards.It's almost like it's art and not historical recreation or something
But that would be crazy talk!
No matter what's said I don't find the TOS ship and the refit something that I can reconcile as the same ship. No amount of dialog changes what appears to be a rather dramatic change. People can make peace with it however they want but it's not something that fits for me. Especially watching TOS and then TMP within a short time frame together.
It's ok that they don't fit together perfectly. It's ok to have minor variations to the universe. It's ok for it just to be a dramatic presentations.
*restarts old argument*It's almost like it's art and not historical recreation or something
But that would be crazy talk!
No matter what's said I don't find the TOS ship and the refit something that I can reconcile as the same ship. No amount of dialog changes what appears to be a rather dramatic change. People can make peace with it however they want but it's not something that fits for me. Especially watching TOS and then TMP within a short time frame together.
It's ok that they don't fit together perfectly. It's ok to have minor variations to the universe. It's ok for it just to be a dramatic presentations.
Never mind.
I don't think that proves the point you think it does, given the way the graphic from film the wrong shipOkay you've got me there, those are clearly and incontrovertibly two different ships with entirely different structural frames that don't share any components. They share no history. They are not the same vessel by anyone's standards.
That's the Enterprise on the the top, and the Enterprise A on the bottom.
And here is how the movies dramatically presented the original ship in its pre-refit configuration.
Something something Ship of Thesus.*restarts old argument*
It's a brand new ship...and a refit.
But what is a refit anyway?
It proves that the design exists in that particular dramatic presentation.I don't think that proves the point you think it does, given the way the graphic from film the wrong ship
A refit is when there's money in the budget to build a much shinier model but you still want it to be explicitly the same ship.But what is a refit anyway?
