Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident
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But you do recall Chapel being interesting in Spock? I think it's a liberty to be sure. But it isn't completely out of nowhere. Unless they do some massive (and preferably effective) gymnastics I don't think they're going to line up SNW and, say, The Naked Time.
OTOH, Spock doesn't admit a lot of things.
It does cast the characters in a very different light. You can't watch it anymore and think "She has NO shot with this guy." For that matter, even McCoy's teasing her lands very differently now.
Jim never mentioned for a whole season that he served on the Farragut. He didn't mention that he was from Iowa until the fourth movie.
I have more of a problem with Uhura (for example) never indicating that she was friends with Sam when Sam dies than I do with "Oh! So suddenly McCoy had a fourth grade math teacher? In three seasons and six movies he never ONCE mentioned a math teacher!"
There are areas of continuity that are at least vaguely explored but there is a whole lot that is wide open. (Like, lots of room for Spock to have a foster sister.)
I want to know - are we ever going to meet Sam's wife and kids?
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I don't recall her shock and I don't recall an opportunity for Kirk to go "As everyone knows my brother, George Samuel Kirk, served on the Enterprise at least until I kicked his butt in chess and he had to a new colony to hide his shame."
People don't talk like that, don't exposite information that way. Not sure why that would happen...?
We’ll, when a boy and a girl like each other very much…
Nope, same timeline.
So? The characters don't mention a lot of things.
He also never mentioned having nearly married Carol Marcus and having a child also.
Yet there they were.
TOS Chapel, I still totally think that. Because outside of WALGMO, she's just a doormat. I can't see TOS Spock being interested in her at all.
But I view SNW as an alternate continuity to TOS (There are just too many differences for it to be anything but IMO), so all bets are off. Jess Bush's Chapel I can see Spock falling for.
Kirk does say that he was born on Earth in "The Gamesters of Triskelion," though.
I struggle with the fact that I'm not mad that SNW wants me to ship Chapel / Spock after 50 years, but that it's WORKING.
SEE how tight lipped these people are? George Kirk was Kirk's mom's FOURTH HUSBAND and Jim has DOZENS of step siblings! We don't know!Kirk does say that he was born on Earth in "The Gamesters of Triskelion," though.
Pike and Kirk will be like Sarek and Spock, or Grievous and Anakin. Always just missing each other.
That's kind of the whole point of a prequel though, in my opinion. Treating SNW as a alternate or altered timeline is fine if continuity is that important in terms of enjoyment of the story. For my part, SNW is doing the strongest thing a prequel can do; make me go "Oh, I never realized" and seeing interactions from a whole new light.
Many post about how they cannot see this Chapel becoming like TOS Chapel. For that I can only say please don't work with traumatized or depressed people. The change that grief and loss can have on a person is profound, and I would say the loss of a fiancée counts.
I welcome the multiple interpretations of characters. It's when I go, "Meh, I already know that," that a show becomes stale.
As always, mileage will vary.
Maybe Chris Hemsworth is now beyond their paygrade, but they should bring back Jennifer Morrison to be the Kirks' mom.
Winona: George, you need to clean up your own dishes after you have those briefings!
Sam: Mom, don't tell me this in front of Jim and Spock!
Spock:
James: Is that a smile Spock? Yeah, I thought I saw you smile.
Winona: George, you need to clean up your own dishes after you have those briefings!
Sam: Mom, don't tell me this in front of Jim and Spock!
Spock:
James: Is that a smile Spock? Yeah, I thought I saw you smile.
Particularly because part of it is foolish gibberish to begin with.
Pike is at least a decade older than Kirk, maybe closer to twenty years older. That's required by what's shown onscreen.
For me, that's what Better Call Saul did, and it's a far better prequel than SNW is. With SNW, I most often say, "Well, that's a neat idea. It doesn't really jibe with what TOS showed us, but it's a neat idea." Chapel's new characterization, one of Khan's descendants serving aboard the ship, Spock embracing his human half more than we ever saw on TOS, Chapel & Uhura knowing T'Pring before "Amok Time," Spock & Chapel having a flirtation/relationship, Uhura serving on the Enterprise as both a cadet and an ensign, Sam Kirk being in Starfleet and serving aboard the Enterprise, M'Benga serving as the Enterprise's CMO years before "A Private Little War," the Gorn being completely different, the more advanced tech... There are just too many differences, both big and small, for me to regard SNW as anything more than a "broad strokes" prequel to TOS. So yeah, I regard it as an alternate universe to maintain my sanity.
But TOS Chapel was like that before she lost her fiancé. "The Naked Time" takes place before WALGMO in production order, stardate order, and airdate order. So TOS Chapel was either always wimpy or whatever changed her happened before WALGMO.
Because the show still pre-dates TOS Spock. He was very emotional in 'The Cage'.
There's nothing in TOS that contradicts these.
So what? I stated what I think a prequel should do, not who did it better?
Losing her fiancé? Yeah, can't imagine her fears and the impact upon her mood. People sure are sensitive about their lost loved ones...
Why doesn't Chapel know? Seriously, people are pouring over that episode like it's the map to the Ark of the Covenant but I cannot find any indication of such that Chapel didn't know. Uhura asks who she is and that's it.
I struggle to see how these are contradicted from what we saw in TOS.
To me this is like watching only John Wayne films and meeting a cowboy who is nothing like John Wayne.
Well if you're worried about sanity use mine. I know I'm not using it.*
*all due credit to MASH and their writers.
Everyone had heard of Khan, they just didn't realize the guy they brought out of stasis was him.
Exactly. They knew of him, and possible history, but didn't know him by just looking at him. Just like Kodos the Executioner. Kirk suspected but needed proof.
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