Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident
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I always thought that McGivers was a lousy historian. She really didn't contribute much to what they needed as far as information. Spock dug up more information by using the computer.
That's far more my frustration. To me the John Harrison storyline is far more interesting and could be an exploration of the mission creep that Marcus was engaging in by illegally augmenting humans to fight Klingons.
The blood thing is an absolute nonissue. It's more scientifically accurate than the warp drive or transporter.
Yeah, she was not very good.
So, Star Trek?
In any case, only one other Kelvinverse story has been made since then, so opportunities to bring it up again have been…exceedingly rare.
Indeed. In fact, the transporter is a better cure, including curing Pulaski of aging from the Darwin station children. Why not use that more often?
The needs of the story outweigh the needs of consistency and verisimilitude.
I did not know that. It certainly sheds a different light on it.
I agree that I would've preferred the story of John Harrison to the weirdly written Khan!Again story. I nearly hurt my eyes from rolling them so much.
As many times as I've seen it, I still cannot parse STID as a "9/11 Conspiracy" story - rather obviously because the precipitating incident which sets Starfleet on its militaristic course is Nero's incursion, destruction of the Kelvin and genocide against Vulcan, none of which was part of any conspiracy organized by Marcus or anyone else.
It's rather obviously the story of how terribly the United States went astray in its response to 9/11, with the rise of the security state and including the curtailment of the rights of enemy combatants be they citizens or foreign soldiers, etc.
It's rather obviously the story of how terribly the United States went astray in its response to 9/11, with the rise of the security state and including the curtailment of the rights of enemy combatants be they citizens or foreign soldiers, etc.
It’s gotten that label because, apparently, Orci is a 9/11 “truther”. But you’re right. It reads much more like your description.
And it works far better to me as a commentary on the US overreach in response to 9/11. While there are other films that do this far better, this Star Trek take is still one of my favorites, and using John Harrison as an augmented solider would have added on top of the drone warfare commentary as well. I thought it could have worked extremely well.
They were looking hard at Hispanic actors. Probably because of Montalban.
So it's on a very long list.
It may be why he's been silently removed from Trek while Kurtzman's still there...
Healing Blood is a problem yet Dr. McCoy gives a lady a single pill and she grows a new kidney and hardly anybody complains.
You've just equated something that may be possible after three centuries of steam cell research with resurrecting the dead.
Yeah, that's been my impression - people don't like Orci for one reason or another, and the fact that he's a conspiracy nut is irresistible. But whether he intended it or not, STID is not a 9/11 Truther story. In fact, while heavy-handed, it's one of the few Trek movies with anything substantial to say.
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Does he? ""Sivan" is a name that appears in both India and Israel.
Sorry Bones, Billy Crystal used that one in Princess Bride.
The thing is, classic TOS is in our future after our current structures collapse. I can see a future where they adopt such clean lines and the style echoes the 1960's. And paper printouts could make a comeback. It was a deliberate asthetic of the series because it was Jefferies vision of the future. The future in 2260 does not have to look like what we think it should look like today.
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