Brian Brophy didn’t return?

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  1. cooleddie74

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    John Terry is the worst from a visual standpoint. Nestled between the two Hedison appearances it's like a Time Lord regeneration that people pretend didn't happen.
     
  2. TimeIsAPredator

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    Ya but the problem with Maddox is only the first actor was a super sexy superman and the second one was a wimp
     
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    Maddox is a shapeshifter based upon mood.
     
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  4. Arpy

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    I know what you mean. I meant in my post that I don’t think the Bond metaphor works. They didn’t recast Stewart. This wasn’t part of the gag or out of necessity. Nor did they recast Seven or Hugh or Riker or Troi or Data (or Guinan) or anyone else you could make much of — Icheb was barely there under the blood and camera angles. As mentioned upthread, it was a completely different character, and needlessly so. I would have loved to see how they married original Maddox with this universe. Seven and Hugh worked great.
     
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    Two Hedison appearances that were sixteen years apart.
     
  6. cooleddie74

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    Yep. Making it even more confusing since Hedison was rehired just two years after The Living Daylights.

    1973: Middle-aged guy.
    1987: Surfer dude who could be an MTV veejay.
    1989: Middle-aged guy and the same one from the 1973 film.
     
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    Terry is just a hiccup to me...he makes such a non-impression that he's easily squinted past. And anyway, the radical recasting pattern had already been set in the earlier films.
     
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    And set off in large part because Jack Lord's Felix Leiter was seen to possibly overshadow Bond had he continued to be cast in the supporting role. Felix was already on a level of coolness on the same par as Bond in Dr. No and it's not hard to imagine him overshadowing Sean Connery as he got more and more tired of playing 007 as the '60s went on. So I get why the producers hired Cec Linder and Rik Van Nutter. But by DAF they really should have settled on one continuing actor for Leiter or at least tried to.

    I mean, Connery didn't take DAF too seriously anyways. Almost every supporting character overshadows him in that one. ;)
     
  9. Greg Cox

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    Heck. Forget Bond and Leiter. Blofeld was never played by the same actor twice -- in back-to-back movies.

    Which, granted, was not unusual back in the day. Heck, THE MUNSTERS went through at least three Marilyns. :)
     
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    Didn't they cast Norman Burton specifically to look older than Connery? He was definitely the worst...and the most frustrating thing is that he's sharing scenes with Jimmy Dean, who would've been perfect casting for Leiter as he was described in the books.
     
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    I would have liked to have half-shark-eaten Leiter make one more appearance. He regrew a hand before, so why not.

    Brian Brophy can regrow any part of his body at will.
    But he has never had to.
     
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    It makes sense that JB is simply a cover name, and they actually are different people.
     
  13. cooleddie74

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    Cec Linder and Norman Burton seem like they'd be the same Felix Leiter, just as Jack Lord and Rik Van Nutter are believable as the same one. The problem is the crossovers between the two types.
     
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    Absolutely fucking not, as anyone who read Fleming, or was paying attention to the odd bits of cross-actor continuity (e.g., references to Tracy), would know.

    I'd give Cec Linder more credit than that.
     
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  15. Greg Cox

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    That's a jokey fan theory that's gotten out of hand, to the extent that people take it way too seriously these days.

    It's the Bondian equivalent of the old joke about Jessica Fletcher being a secret serial killer. :)
     
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    At the risk of sounding gatekeepy, I'd say that it's a jokey theory of people who clearly aren't fans, as it betrays a lack of knowledge/understanding of the Bond mythos.
     
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    I feel you, but I wouldn’t go that far. It’s a reaction to the movies, which is how most people know Bond. He can’t be the same 30-40-something since the 1960’s.

    Still, if you’re going to accept everything else in the nutty franchise, you can accept that. I mean, why make him “007” if you’ve already made him “James Bond”?

    Also, Fletcher totally did it. She was the Moriarty of her day.

    EDIT: Angela Lansbury lives. How many more has Jessica dispatched since?
     
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    One less than Brian Brophy.
     
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    I realize that, but the theory isn't even founded in what loose continuity exists between the films. The main example being the various references to Tracy over decades and multiple actors.
    Sliding time is a concept very familiar to superhero comic fans; and even that explanation wasn't necessary until the Dalton recasting, which might be seen as a "soft reboot". Connery and Moore were around the same age, so Bond's film adventures prior to Dalton could have easily occurred in real time (the noticeably younger Lazenby being a brief hiccup in that area).
     
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